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If I Ran the School, Things Would be Different

MountainscallingAs a retiree, I have a special place in my heart for Monday mornings, because that’s when I would have had to go back to work if it weren’t for the joy of early retirement.  Despite the option of complete leisure, I woke up at 5:30 this morning because the sky was starting to brighten and I was too excited about the new day to let any of it go to waste.

I’m writing to you right now, but later on I’ll be building stuff, riding bikes, meeting with people and teaching kids. Later on as bedtime approaches I might fiddle around in the music room, read a book or listen to a podcast. It’s my idea of the perfect life: self-directed activities in pursuit of knowledge, self-improvement and even getting a chance to help others if you’re lucky.

This might not seem related to the subject of our school system, but at the core I think the idea is the same:

Humans are naturally curious and energetic creatures, and if you set us free in the right environment, we will get to work learning, producing, and having a great time at it.

This is especially true for kids, whose brain composition is set up for maximum-speed-learning-at-all-costs. And double especially true for my son, who has always loved the freedom to create and worked with every atom of his being to fight against any rules that might constrain it. This is a boy who, given an elaborate new high-tech Lego set, will immediately discard the instruction set, open the bags of parts, and dump them without hesitation into his main supply bins. “Great! we have way more parts now – let’s make some ships!”

This inspired (but very high maintenance) personality has been clashing with the public school system on a regular basis. Last year, he started to feel the crush of boredom and irrationality and Mrs. MM and I fought it for a long while.

“You have to stay in school”, we insisted, “that is what all responsible people do to ensure a bright future, learn to deal with diverse sets of people, and of course to socialize with other children. With you being an only child, this is especially important.”

But it started affecting his sleep, and his non-school hours started to become dominated by worrying about school, and then even his health started to follow down that road. Through research and a bit of professional counseling, we learned that he has an anxiety disorder. While this is fairly common in young kids of his type, the teachers he had to work with most often seemed unable to adapt. His third grade classroom had become a disciplinarian place with a constant shushing of kids, straight lines in the hallway, and stern words for anyone who didn’t follow assignment instructions without question. Explanations of his ideas to the teacher were shot down as “talking back” or “excuses”.

There are of course many schools of thought on how to raise a kid. In 19th century England, they used to whack them frequently with canes to keep them in line. In certain philosophies, cultures or religions it is still common to maintain an iron fist of discipline over kids until they move out of the house as young adults. The traditional Asian school system emphasized long hours, strict rules and rote memorization. The opinions of the parents and teachers are the only ones that count, and failing to perform well in school is considered a disgrace to your family.

While I’m happy to let those people do their own thing, my response to this style of education as a parent now is the same as it was when I was a kid: “Fuck That.”

The Pursuit of Soul Craft

good book right there

Good book

Around the time we were going through all of this, I was reading the book “Shop Class as Soulcraft” by the badass philosopher/mechanic Matthew B. Crawford. The author shares my own opinions on the bullshitty nature of most of our traditional rules and their influence on the modern office environment, and the value of thoughtful but difficult physical work. To quote the man on the clash of school with human nature:

 “It is a rare person who is naturally inclined to sit still for sixteen years at school, and then indefinitely at work”

Don’t get me wrong. The idea of a free public education for all is still a great one. In my school, a noticeable portion* of the kids come from families where the parents don’t seem to be putting much effort into their upbringing. Nobody is reading to them at home, or talking about science or teaching them a trade. There’s no Lego, not enough bikes and too much TV, drowning out the chance to actually learn by creating anything for themselves. For them, school is the only hand up they have in life so we’d better make the most of it.

But damn, we could do so much better.

If I ran the school, there would be none of those leaky-tire teachers that are permanently shushing kids in the classrooms and the hallways.

I remember one vivid experience while volunteering in the school, walking down the hallway with a group of my little advanced math students. The hall was empty and our journey back to the main classroom was going well. Without warning, an attack of shushes came at us from a sniper who had positioned herself inconspicuously at a desk off to the side. We escaped without losing the flow of our thoughts, but at the midway point, a second attack came from a guy standing at the far end. Arms down, straight line, no talking.

When kids are talking to each other, that’s called a conversation, which is one of the most valuable things you can let kids have.

And nobody needs to line up in the hallways. I don’t do lineups myself, so why would I make kids endure this irrational suppression of natural body placement?

If I ran the place, there would be a red button on the wall, that would start Walking on Sunshine, pulsing LED rope lights and a disco ball. Anybody could run up and press it. The walls would be padded and there would be subwoofers. It would be an invigorating and ridiculous dance party going from one class to the next. Coincidentally, this is very similar to how I run my own house.

Some teachers are still taking away recess from kids as a form of punishment. The most valuable and educational part of the school day – experiencing nature and fresh air, refreshing the mind and training the body – gone because of an cruel desire to make a child regret not conforming to their irrational rules. I found this both enraging and ironic, because the school hallway proudly displays a large banner with the following quote:

“Leave all the afternoon for exercise and recreation, which are as necessary as reading; I will rather say more necessary, because health is worth more than learning.”
– Thomas Jefferson

In my school, recess would come first. There is more than enough time to learn the easy stuff like physics, chemistry and software design. Plenty of adults accomplish that. But how many of us spend enough time outside and maintain reasonable levels of strength and fitness into our old age? How many people over 50 even do barbell squats with any regularity any more?

In my school, play is not something to be suppressed – it is something you facilitate and hope for. There’s a reason that kids of all the most intelligent animals (whether kittens, dolphins or humans) are born with a desire to play. It is because playing is the most efficient way to learn. How could this blatantly obvious bit of evolution have been suppressed in the design of our school system? Thus, the ultimate achievement as a teacher is to trigger a marathon session of Automatic Learning Through Play, and sit back and watch the neurons connect.

 So We Decided It Was Time To Run The School

My rant above is overly idealistic, or course. Real school systems are faced with all sorts of constraints, just like any organization that involves a large number of humans. You have vastly diverse kids, some of them uncooperative or even violent. Meddling administrators, parents, and politicians. The flawed implementation of standardized testing which often displaces actual learning. Sure, it can be improved, but that’s a separate battle from the job of taking care of our own son because he needed a solution right now. 

Much like Mustachianism itself, we decided it was more efficient to try something new immediately and start learning from it, than to sit around complaining about the system we were stuck in. Since we’ve been experimenting with this for about a year now, I figured it would be worth sharing some of the surprising observations.

Is Homeschooling Only for Weirdos? Surely it Wouldn’t Work for Me?

This was my first assumption before learning about the option. I had never met anyone who didn’t go to school, so I thought it was necessary to grow up as an educated, well-adjusted adult. This turned out to be totally wrong and I have heard from (and read about) dozens of exceptionally happy, intelligent achievers who went this way. But it’s not for everyone – if you find yourself with a kid who already likes school, you might want to keep that good situation as it is.

How Can This Lead to a Good Education?

If you start with the natural hunger kids have towards learning, and subtract out some of the biggest obstacles (lineups, waiting for the slow trudge of big-class teaching, boring and repetitive activities), you find that you can exceed the actual academic learning contained in a typical school day with just an hour or two of concentrated effort. You can double the pace by throwing in a second hour or more. And this leaves the rest of the day to broaden the benefits – activities with other people, physical challenges, educational trips, etc. You can also let the kid run free with uninterrupted time when he does find a true interest – for example getting into a really good book, writing, music, programming, etc.

This fits well with the modern and future workforce, where employers are looking for people who can adapt, create, and produce, rather than simply follow rules. But even using the word “employers” is shortsighted in my book. I’m not teaching my kid to be an employee – I’m teaching him to be a creator, who will find it satisfying to start his own small companies. Employees will be the people he hires when the time comes.

Where do you Get your Curriculum?

Sal Khan is pretty much The Man when it comes to great do-it-yourself education. Thanks Sal!

Sal Khan is pretty much The Man when it comes to great do-it-yourself education. Thanks Sal!

Much of this becomes obvious if you ask yourself what really defines a good education. But for a shortcut, just look at Khan Academy. This brillant utopia of an organization has been creating well-organized, advanced, free learning for years now, and it just keeps getting better. Get your kid an account there, set him or her free and watch the sparks fly. Of course, you should also hover conveniently nearby to help expand the learning.

We also worked with the school and borrowed some textbooks, looked at the US core standards that help define the teaching done in conventional school, and did plenty of online searching to see what other people use for their learning.

But the fun part comes when you leave the conventional lessons. For example, to illustrate math and trigonometry (as well as a tiny bit about astronomy), I taught my son how to calculate the height of our city’s water tower based on the length of its shadow at noon on March 21st. To learn about science and engineering, you talk about how things work and watch the amazing documentaries they have now that explain how fascinating these things are.

Technology and Computing: The video game called Kerbal Space Program tricks kids into learning rocket design and planetary physics at a deeply intuitive level. Another called Robocraft involves iterative design, construction and testing disguised as a first person shoot-em-up. We also build and program real robots using a VEX IQ set, but you can ease into kid-style programming with a language called Scratch.

In fact, any strategic and complicated video game contains a lot of disguised learning, because your kid has to learn the subtleties of using a computer in order to get it to work in the first place. How to use a mouse, keyboard, and menus. How to read, type, copy files, install updates, search for information, even connect to another IP address to host a multiplayer game. These end up being really useful skills throughout life, and this is why I would never buy an Xbox, Wii, PlayStation or other simplified video gaming system. Those things preserve the recreation, but strip out the important technology. If your kid is going to have “screen time”, it might as well be on a nice, complicated real computer, which is another reason we haven’t had TV service since well before he was born.

Music: At the most basic level, you learn a lot about music by simply listening to it. I always have something playing in the house and I let my son change the Pandora station and create his own. But we also jam with real instruments which are left strategically lying about the house and make songs with Ableton Live. Music lessons are valuable for those so inclined, but due to our resistance to rules and structure, my son and I are not so inclined at the moment even as people who are unusually interested in music.

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Art Class tends to change along with the current topics of interest in real life. Currently space travel and colonization due to a binge of reading we did about SpaceX.

 

Reading and Writing: kids reading to themselves at any time, parents reading books to kids at bedtime, hitting the Library at least once a week, and leaving blank notebooks and great writing instruments and erasers around the house to facilitate creation of new literature and comics.

The Typical Day of Homeschooling

Typical day's schedule

Typical day’s schedule

It changes along with the season, but there is the whiteboard as it appears today. You got some writing, building/programming, lunch, outdoor activities, and math. We keep things in the 1-4 hour range to avoid homeschooling becoming a drag. After all, kids are always learning, whether you label it as school or not.

Surprising Advantages

  • You can live wherever you like without regard to “school district”. You can also travel and take vacations without regard to the school calendar.
For example, nice weather last week required that we spend Monday hiking in the mountains.

For example, nice weather last week required that we spend Monday hiking in the mountains.

  • You get the best private school, with a commute and tuition cost of roughly zero.
  • I find myself learning more, just so I’ll have more to share with him (similar to the effect that this blog has had on my life)
  • My son is at peace with the world, fired up, and learning quickly.

What about Testing and Standards?  Is anybody watching what I do?

This part is easy. Although it is unlikely any authorities will ever be involved with your schooling, in theory you are supposed to do at least 4 hours per day of classes, and keep a journal of what you do. You may also be able to drop in on your local school for special classes if you make arrangements with the principal there.

You can order practice tests, and the real end-of-year tests (called the Iowa Test of Basic Skills), which you can administer yourself or do at the school. Mrs. MM bought her copies from BJUpress.org**

Your kid does of course need to pass the test, but if you’re serious about learning you will be miles ahead of the requirements.

What about Socialization? 

As it turns out, the regular school day is mostly about discouraging socialization. Get the kids to sit still and be quiet so they can learn, except in widely spaced controlled group activities. Most of the fun happens in extracurricular activities, which you can still join, or in plain old free play, which you can do any time.

Little MM still has all of his earlier school friends, and he hangs out with them constantly outside of school hours and on the weekends. We also keep meeting more people, just by virtue of living in a neighborhood where people want to know each other.

There are also organized homeschooling groups where you gather for group activities or even classes at a dedicated location. While we haven’t had time to join any groups yet, I plan to start running some classes of my own out of the parkside studio building I’ll be building in my back yard once the main house is done.

In Conclusion

Homeschooling has turned out to be a highly Mustachian activity: packed with Freedom, requiring high effort in exchange for high reward, and a way of improving upon the system of our society while working peacefully with its boundaries. It is not for everyone and it will consume much of your mental and physical power, but in exchange you will deliver a truly excellent education.

Further Reading: Mrs. Money Mustache shares more about her homeschooling journey in this March 2014 post on her own site.

 * By “noticeable portion” I’m not talking about kids with a different race or language of origin. This parenting divide is caused some other way – perhaps even by stress. If your own life as an adult is pushing your boundaries, you might have less energy left over to help your kids. Now that I’m a parent myself, I feel less judgmental about how things work out for other parents, because this stuff is pretty damned hard even from my very privileged position of having only one kid, two parents, and more free time and money than most. So instead of bashing parents of disadvantaged kids, I’d rather just help them by trying to inspire their kids.

**BJU happens to be a religious group, but the tests themselves are just the standard national tests. In fact, you’ll find a high correlation between homeschooling and religion, but that doesn’t make the idea any less valid for completely non-religious people (such as the MMM family) as well. For me, it’s all about better learning and a better life, which are almost the same thing.

  • Brianna February 17, 2015, 12:52 pm

    Congratulations! We’ve Unschooled our children for many years now and can’t imagine a better life.

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  • Shreen February 17, 2015, 12:56 pm

    Your home schooling sounds a lot like what we give the students where I work, an alternative education organisation in England. We’re based on a farm, so encouraging play and natural curiosity is easy. I work with the animals there, and try to expand on the student’s passion for animals into other areas. Tomorrow I’m doing a short lesson on microscopes. The kids will make a microscope out of a water droplet on clear plastic (surprising how effective that is!) then as a reward we get to mess around on a digital microscope – this creates a buzz as the image is shown on the laptop screen for everyone to view at the same time. The students love it, they’ll grab dead insects, bits of hay, wool, old pennies, anything they can find. Next week I’m going to do a session on measuring animal feed quantities and calculating budgets for farm supplies (maths). Later I’ll be fixing animal shelters (wood work, maths, engineering) and maybe creating some paintings to decorate our animal room(art).

    The organisation is aimed at children who struggle in mainstream schools, though it’s a shame other kids miss out. I’d have killed for something like this when I was a child. Jealous of my own students!

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  • Marcia February 17, 2015, 1:04 pm

    Some good stuff in here. It’s interesting to me how different children can be.

    I have always been very much a rule-follower, so regular school was very good for me. For my husband too.

    Our older son is little-MMM’s age, and the Lego thing really hit me. During his Lego phase, the first thing he would do (and still does, just doesn’t get as many new sets) is open up the box and immediately start following the instructions. In fact, for months, he was obsessed. And we kept the kits in baggies, and if he lost a piece he was DISTRAUGHT.

    It took months of convincing by us to do something different, like
    1. Substitute a different color piece
    2. Dump the instructions and make something new! (<- this is now his preferred way to play with Legos)

    On the other hand, my 2.5 year old seems to want to do his own thing already. A lot of his "playing" is watching us right now – watching us color. Watching us build. And when he feels like it, he jumps in and totally just does his own thing.

    So my older son is pretty much flourishing in school because it works with his personality. And at home we do other things (right now he is OBSESSED with chess and Risk).

    I can so totally see the advantages of homeschooling, as someone who is not-religious and not a granola type. I see the advantage to normal, mainstream people too. Directing your child's education to their needs, going at their own speed. As far as I'm concerned, freedom from the school district (and fundraising!) and the ability to vacation whenever you want, is just gravy.

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  • Parker February 17, 2015, 1:08 pm

    Blah blah blah public school is stupid. Coming from a family of educators, with one that does home schooling of her children, we all know that the school days are too long and numerous. Home school gets the same thing accomplished in about 1/3 of the time. And we also know that school is first and foremost day care. No human being can tolerate 6 hours of classroom learning a day + 2 hours of homework at night. But all working adults want a place to drop their kids off for 7 hours so they can still have a career. Or I should say a place to drop their kids off for 7 hours paid for by taxes, so they can have a career. It is an imperfect system that is easy to criticize. But maybe you should also thank the thousands of people that are educators that make low wages so that your kids are taken care of and learn something! It is easy to armchair the education system rather than be a part of the change. The education system also provides support to many many kids with medical disabilities. This includes education, food, medical services, physical/speech/occupational therapy, transportation, and socialization that in their case they may not get otherwise.

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  • Warren Myers February 17, 2015, 1:21 pm

    I was homeschooled all 12 years (as was my sister (though she did it in 11)).

    It may not be for everybody, but it’s great for far more than currently take advantage of it.

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  • Diego February 17, 2015, 1:25 pm

    I am a public school teacher and one of the most useful tools I use in my classroom are checksheets.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8xV25NmZQQ&list=UUOwim2IEYRQKPOWzxf1xUlg
    In this video I explain how I am bringing innovation to education. This has allowed me to teach several different grade levels in one class. It can change public education everywhere!
    For more info: http://www.appliedscholastics.org/study-tech/a-breakthrough-in-learning.html
    MMM articles have been tremendous for my personal finance! We need to push public schools to individualize learning. This is what it looks like and it could save tax payers millions of dollars and get a better student. There are so many great teachers out there. Thanks MMM for your support and I totally understand your frustration. There is a ton of unnecessary stress on teachers and students. Let’s make education better!

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  • Sharon February 17, 2015, 1:39 pm

    I’m laughing cause I’m so excited. Became addicted to your blog about a year ago and have been learning ever since. With your ideals the second I heard you had a kid, I was kinda shocked when I heard you mention traditional school. As someone who struggled with the same problems described with school as your son, I started homeschooling in middleschool after convincing my parents skipped a grade and started college early. With homeschooling, not only did our family closeness and my own level of happiness benefit so much, I’ve never lost my love of learning unlike some of my other friends. I got to volunteer more, learned to give back, every family vacation was educational and FUN and also whenever we felt like it. I was also more prepared for the per subject self motivated learning that was essential for college. Oh and yeah… When the college administrator questioned my ability to perform and “handle” college classes I showed him my near perfect SAT scores and he choked on his own coffee then agreed to schedule me. I’m so happy your trying this as a family know you will LOVE it and don’t let any of the nay sayers bring you down in your true mustachian fashion. ;) If you have any questions to ask from a kid who did it the homeschooling way, please feel free to email me!!! :)

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  • Ralph Smith February 17, 2015, 1:40 pm

    “You can also travel and take vacations without regard to the school calendar.” We just had a discussion at work about this very thing. One of my co-workers took his kids to Disney World for 3 days and was sent multiple letters of reprimand from the school for costing them 9 days of federal funding (3 kids x 3 days).

    That’s burns me up! I pay property taxes to cover school costs. I release schools may require further funding but just like any business they need to figure that out. If I want to take my kids on a vacation they’re going. This is exactly why I encourage alternative schools. Bring in the competition and let them balance each other out for the betterment of all.

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  • Trifele February 17, 2015, 2:04 pm

    YES! This is the post I was waiting for! Thank you, MMM. We are in year 2 of homeschooling our two kids and it is fantastic. I won’t reiterate all the obvious points — flexibility, freedom from soul-crushing public school BS, unlimited self-directed learning, play time — but there is one thing I have not seen yet in the comments to this post that I will add: *It IS possible to work AND homeschool at the same time.* Many of the commenters seem to think you have to be at FI or have one stay-at-home parent to do it. Not the case. DH and I both work (him full time/school year, me part time) and we share the homeschooling responsibilities. Lots of homeschooling families with working parents are making it work.

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    • Homestead family February 18, 2015, 6:41 pm

      Thanks for the great comment about working parents homeschooling, Trifele! There are even some single parents who do it, with tons of support from a retired grandparent. I know self employed parents who take their older kids to work with them. I’m not saying it’s easy, but that it’s possible–just takes extra creative frugality and hard work (great mustachian values!).

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  • Jim McG February 17, 2015, 2:10 pm

    Your first two paragraphs sum up my life at the moment! I was made redundant at the end of December at the age of fifty and have enough money to live comfortably now for the rest of my natural (I hope!) But the pressure to either return to work or find paid work is enormous, and I feel it’s just me putting myself under it. The “nine to five” culture begins at school and it’s a damn hard habit to break!

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  • Amy February 17, 2015, 2:11 pm

    Thank you for this post!! Our youngest was getting so stressed out over homework, tests, starting to call herself “stupid” – and she is 8 years old in the 3rd Grade!! My sweet creative, artistic, confident and happy daughter was turning into someone I didn’t even recognize. I saw it mentioned above, but she is transferring to a local Waldorf School in 2 weeks. They also have ties with a great homeschooling group for the high-school years. We had her do a “shadow” day – and the difference was profound. After school she was happy, bubbly and I have never in my life had such a detailed account of her school day. I love how much outdoor and movement time they build in to each day. I think you and Mrs. MM made the best choice for your son & it sounds like it has been a great fit for your family.

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  • Liz T February 17, 2015, 2:13 pm

    My son was lucky enough to have gone to a Montessori preschool-K, then we found a little-advertised Montessori program in our own public school district that covered 1st-6th grade. About halfway through, we realized he was pretty severely dyslexic and had ADHD. We had him evaluated and worked on managing the symptoms, and honed in on a workable set of classroom accommodations. He finished elementary school with flying colors. I was worried about his transition to ‘traditional’ junior high and thought I might end up homeschooling, but he got right into the flow. He’s now in high school and doing better than I ever imagined. The (public school) Montessori program was an excellent fit for his temperament, and the excellent and dedicated (public school) teachers worked with us every step of the way. He emerged with his love of learning intact, without any crippling self-esteem issues. Montessori might just fill the bill for those for whom homeschooling isn’t practical, if you have an afforable option in your area.

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  • Mother Frugal February 17, 2015, 2:16 pm

    If I had known how great (and easy) homeschooling was, I would have done it years ago! My daughter had rough times in elementary school, but I was just too scared to try homeschooling at that time. By middle school, her anxiety level was through the roof. I realized that if she continued at that institution (school), she might wind up in another type of institution (much worse than school). Pulling her out of “regular” school mid-year was the best decision ever.

    We ended up with a middle-of-the road arrangement with a “virtual school”, where she was officially enrolled in a public school district, but all school work was done at home (mostly online, but by no means all the time). This arrangement helped ease my own fears of inadequacy by providing not only a curriculum, but on-call support from certified teachers. This helped my daughter to excel in her strong subjects, get additional support in her weaker ones, and just get the time to emotionally heal. It was a win-win all around.

    Now that my daughter is back at a “regular” public school for high school (the goal all along), she is thriving! Our entire family has no regrets. There are so many options out there that there never needs to be a 100% either/or situation. Congratulations for doing what is best for your son!

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  • Yabusame February 17, 2015, 2:39 pm

    I don’t have kids but I got interested in home schooling as a means to give myself a thorough education as I was disillusioned by the one I got as a child (I’m in my 40s now and I started this self-ed journey in my mid-30s). I started with Susan Wise Bauer’s ‘The Well Educated Mind’ and began reading the classics. After that I started to read up on home schooling and different methodologies (Hillsdale Academy was interesting and I added to my reading list by perusing their set reading curricula). Just over a year ago I started using Khan Academy and I’ve been jumping around their lesson plans as my interests wax and wane (at the weekend I looked at differential calculus, microeconomics, and music). Self-directed education is awesome!

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  • OhioStache February 17, 2015, 2:44 pm

    I really appreciate the thoughtful comments. Definitely a lot of people in support of homeschooling, which isn’t so surprising given the go-against-the-flow culture of mustachians. I’d like to chime in with a mildly dissenting voice, mild because this article helps me more seriously reconsider homeschooling, but dissenting none the less.
    I was homeschooled all the way through highschool in a strict conservative religious family. While I enjoyed the relative freedom of schedule, I grew to resent the total lack of freedom with regard to socialization and extracurricular activities. I wasn’t socially prepared for life, and academically speaking I wasn’t any better off. Since homeschooling was the only option my parents would consider, when my mom had some struggles with depression, my education was basically on hold. After highschool I went to a conservative religious university, where I struggled a lot because I hadn’t learned basic skills like waking up before 9AM. I wound up dropping out of college and joining the Army, where I thrived on the schedule and structure. I went back to college and did a lot better, which I credit to being able to conform to a schedule and discipline myself a little better.
    Now I have three kids, the oldest is in 2nd grade in public school and we’re planning on sending the middle child kindergarten in the fall. My personal experience made me pretty anti-homeschool, but I realize that a single data point doesn’t make a trend. I still harbor some distrust of homeschooling mainly because of the lack of accountability. I had minimal schooling from sophomore year on, still managed to pass achievement tests, get a respectable grade on the ACT, and get into college where I crashed and burned. I think there are quite a few parents (like mine) who are completely unprepared to teach their children, children can learn a lot on their own, but a homeschooling parent needs to be prepared to actually teach. I think there are other skills, which for better or worse, public schools do actually reinforce; this is especially true when it comes to the fringe skills like waking up in the morning, schedule management and socialization. I specifically wanted to address socialization. This one gets scoffed at by homeschooling parents a lot, even in this thread and post, but it’s important. Even with intentional efforts to socialize your kids, a homeschooling parent is still directing the socialization. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, but I appreciate that my 2nd grader is forced to interact with a diverse set of people who aren’t like him. I personally appreciate that I have to interact with a diverse set of parents and teachers that aren’t like me. The ability to choose peers is not necessarily the advantage you might think it is.
    All that said, my wife still keep homeschooling on the table. I hate that public schools teach to the lowest common denominator, my son is constantly complaining about boredom. I don’t like how inflexible they are, we’re always getting hassled for taking him out of school on trips, educational or otherwise. School shootings, rare as they are, still happen and mostly at public schools. All that to say that we’re playing it by ear and taking it one day at a time. Regardless, I think I’m still learning that no matter what schooling we choose for our child, I’m going to have to teach.

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  • sciliz February 17, 2015, 2:51 pm

    So are you telling your son he has to do 4 hours a day of “school stuff” and letting him create the schedule? That’s close to what my Dad ended up doing for me (he had a rule of 6 hours of “educational stuff”- counting extracurricular type classes like sewing or martial arts, but pretty quickly stopped tracking when he realized I was doing a LOT of stuff he saw as valuable). We also didn’t start unschooling until I was a couple years older than your son, but I think the principle probably applies with him already.

    Some things I’d encourage you to incorporate based on what stood out as working well for us:
    *Travel, of course. But you know that.
    *Lots of supplemental classes, including something creative, something social, and something athletic most of the year. I did best with 2.5-3.5 hours of vigorous physical activity every day (competitive swimming is a relatively cost effective sport this way).
    *Camp
    *Keep reading to your kid long after he’s a proficient reader, just because it’s fun. It helps if your parents were speech nerds, but I suspect it’s pretty universal.
    *Birthday gifts- give him a budget, and set him free in an art store, or a computer parts store, or whatever would be most fun for him. It’s all the best parts of an experience gift, and the best parts of a creative project, and money management!
    *Be prepared to be persistent in order to get him into college when he’s 14, even if the college at first says you have to be 16.
    *Generic parenting advice, but particularly relevant to homeschoolers- make sure your kid (especially during tween/teen years!) has adults to relate to that are not his parents.
    *Find a non-religious support group or two and try them out to see if you like the people.

    If you want a PhD biomedical scientist to teach at your school, you know where to email me. Have fun!

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  • Carelyn February 17, 2015, 3:12 pm

    I decided to homeschool my daughter many years ago because she was not doing well in public school and wanted to drop out at the age of 12 because she hated it so much. I knew she was brilliant but they had her in “slow” sections for some classes, including English. I quit my job as a nurse and started a home-based business so I could be home with her, and then enrolled her in a different small private school where the principal understood where I was coming from and gave me total freedom to do what I believed to be best for my precious daughter. I used a school in the Midwest for textbooks and testing materials, and they allowed her to choose what and when she wanted to study as long as she eventually included all of the disciplines required. She had plenty of time to attend a nearby professional art school, where she had her own studio space, and she miraculously blossomed, going from a really difficult preteen, with a lot of anxiety and stress-related issues, to being a very self-assured young lady who graduated from high school before she was 18 and went on to graduate at the top of her undergraduate college class. Then she was awarded full tuition with a stipend for a doctoral program in research at a very prestigious New England university !! So much for the assessment of the public school teachers and guidance counselor, who insisted that she was “probably not even material to attend a community college.” She has become the most wonderful person I have ever known, and we are best of friends. MMM,what a very different and sad story this would have been if I had not done what you are doing for your son. If I could do things over, I would never allow any child of mine inside a public school classroom at any age. And the private schools we tried, and paid a lot of money for, were equally stifling and harmful. Not much good “socialization” was going on in any of them.

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  • Jeremy February 17, 2015, 4:53 pm

    Thank you for sharing this

    We are expecting our first child in April, and plan to continue traveling with him while homeschooling. Learning about European history? What better place than Europe? Want to improve in Mandarin? China is nice this time of year. Interested in Space Travel? Let’s go see a launch and talk with some real rocket scientists

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  • Fran in TX February 17, 2015, 5:16 pm

    We had a similar experience with our son in 6th grade. He is now in private school. His anxiety disappeared soon after leaving public school. Our private school costs about $8000 a year, which I realize is a bargain compared to many places. Although there is a homeschool group in the city about 10 miles away from us, we chose not to go that route because of socialization. We don’t have a group of families we socialize with, and kids in our neighborhood are too busy with traveling sports to have time to just play. My son is getting a great education and has the best friends he’s ever had. Graduates of his school normally get great college scholarships so we should get some financial return on our investment. We’re happy with our choice.

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  • Melissa Yuan-Innes February 17, 2015, 5:29 pm

    My two little ones are in French Catholic public school. (In our part of Canada, Catholic schools are part of the public system.) We’re not Catholic, but we live in a rural area with limited options, and this school is close by, with devoted teachers and administration. Sold.

    Studies show that one of the best things you can do is teach your kids a second language early. I speak French fluently, but dropping them into a French environment with French classmates has forced them to learn much more quickly and thoroughly than boring old Mommy blathering at them. It’s also worked better than me organizing a private Chinese tutor, which has sadly fallen by the wayside. One of my Spanish-speaking friends hired a 13 y.o. Spanish guy to talk to her boys, which worked well because of the cool factor.

    Some of my friends are pulling their kids out of local schools and sending them to private schools starting around 11 years old or so. I’m glad they find it worthwhile, but I’m like, “Through the magic of the Internet, you can learn anything anywhere. For less than $50K a year!” I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks so.

    I do shift work in the ER and I’m a serious writer, so I do like the babysitting angle. No question.

    However, I’ve always thought that if bullying became an issue, I would pull my kids out and homeschool them before I risked their lives and self-esteem.

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  • Joshin February 17, 2015, 5:39 pm

    We consider ourselves a “24 hour family.” Both hubs and I work from home (not FIRE yet) and the kids are homeschooled. My 15 year old will be breaking this mold soon, though. He starts college next year! Your school philosophy and experience sounds a lot like ours. We made it to second grade with our eldest, and then pulled him out. Younger has never been in a public school as a student, although he did help teach several astronomy classes last year to a group of students and their parents.

    Our biggest issue at first was finding our “clique.” Most homeschoolers around us are very religious, and we aren’t religious in the slightest. Thus, we aren’t exposed to a lot of other homeschoolers. Now that the boys have found their own passions, they’ve formed their own huge circles of friends in their interest areas. Better yet, these friends and mentors range in age from 2 to 72.

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  • Max February 17, 2015, 5:51 pm

    I am just curious, and it is by no means an influential aspect of the decision to home school, but do you know what kind of financial aid/tax advantages are derived from home schooling? Most people already pay for a good portion of public schooling through their state taxes, so I was curious as to what the financial offsets might be or if you get a deduction? Also, do you have a “cost” of what it required to school your son for the 1 year?

    Great post, one of my favorites thus far.

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  • kleestile February 17, 2015, 7:05 pm

    As someone who homeschools for all of the reasons you describe, this post had me jumping for joy. “Fuck that” is my exact thought about the public school system. My boy, who has been homeschooled from the beginning) is about two years older than MMM Jr, but it sounds like they have much in common. I am so glad you are exploring all that homeschooling has to offer, for both kiddo and parents alike!

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  • Margit Van Schaick February 17, 2015, 7:46 pm

    This is truly interesting, and I’m so happy for you and Mrs. MM being able to offer this exciting opportunity for your son! I raised three daughters, all three very bright and full of the spark of life, and spent a great deal of energy trying to find the best possible school situations for them (As a single, divorced parent, I had to work full-time and I was also going to law school to get a degree which would allow me to hopefully work fewer hours). This was many years ago, and had I known your Mustachian concepts back then, I probably would have done things very differently. Our goals for our kiddos are very similar–the love of family and freedom are my major values–and I wish you and your family all the best in your adventure!

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  • MattTheFool February 17, 2015, 9:26 pm

    Love this post. Was homeschooled from K-10th grade, then went to a public school for 11th and 12th grade to play sports. At that point the movement to have homeschool sports teams and/or allow homeschooled kids to play on high school sports teams wasn’t prevalent.

    One of the recurring themes that I see in the comments and in @MrMoneyMustache’s post is that public schools don’t work because they don’t meet the needs of particular types of kids academically (see Sister X’s post most recently). This is bound to be true, as MMM pointed out, in a system that caters to the masses. No matter how much a teacher wants to cater to each kid, when you have 30 of them, just isn’t going to happen.

    One of the things I appreciated most while I was at home was the encouragement (without overbearing) to pursue excellence and push myself. We weren’t “unschoolers,” but there was definite encouragement from both parents to pursue interests. Probably more bookish than MMM imagines in a lot of ways, but it was bookish combined with nature. Lots of nature walks as kids, yearly camping trips to great places during the best parts of the year (camping in the Ozarks for a large chunk of one October is a favorite childhood memory). All of these were experiences that I wouldn’t have had in public school. And maybe that’s what public schools are unable to give our kids–experiences and memories.

    Final note on socialization. Obviously there is your stereotypical homeschool kid. There are also awkward kids in public school (and nothing wrong w/either). But my general experience is that homeschooled kids end up being more socially well rounded and adept than their public school peers. Did I interact with quite as many kids on a daily basis? No. But I had plenty of peer-to-peer interaction (baseball, Boy Scouts, church, music programs, etc). In addition, I had opportunities to interact with people outside of my peer group. For example, I spent one summer meeting weekly with a family friend. He was a medical professor at a university who also owned a blueberry farm and did a lot of mechanically inclined work. Together, we built a telescope, spending many hours grinding down lenses by hand. There were other opportunities like that.

    Overall, great article. There are huge advantages to homeschooling, especially if you have a strong interest in shaping your child’s education. It’s definitely not for everyone, and I don’t think there is judgement either way. But don’t poo-poo it without actually checking out the benefits!

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  • Erin February 17, 2015, 10:29 pm

    Check out Ambleside Online if you haven’t already. Charlotte Mason had some really good ideas about educating the whole person. And, if nothing else, the creators of AO have assembled a badass list of books to read at every grade. I want them all. (There is a lack of diversity in their reading plans, and they cling to a young Earth, but these are easy to remedy.)

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  • macbury February 17, 2015, 10:55 pm

    Was thinking when you boil MMM philosophy down it is built around one simple beautiful idea:

    http://youtu.be/xdfeXqHFmPI

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  • Anomalous February 17, 2015, 11:06 pm

    I see that your curriculum includes lego, robots, and programming. Have you considered getting a 3D printer so your son can design and print out his own custom lego and robot parts? Using OpenSCAD to design the parts would teach both spacial reasoning and programming at the same time. It’s also a lot of fun to conceive and program a part, and then be holding a usable example of it a couple hours later.

    I understand if you’d consider a 3D printer an unnecessarily expensive gadget. I bought a Printrbot Simple Metal a few months ago, and the initial cost for everything was about $800. Ongoing costs for an FDM printer are almost nothing though; most parts use just a few cents worth of plastic. I’ve probably saved about $100 so far by printing out parts I would have otherwise had to buy (custom shelf brackets and such), so it might even pay for itself over time.

    I’m not sure how mature a kid would have to be to make practical use of a 3D printer. Programming parts with OpenSCAD is very simple, probably easier than the robotics programming you’re doing. Making a useful part requires some more thought though, and if it has to interface with existing parts then it will be necessary to take some careful measurements. Getting a 3D printer set up and calibrated and figuring out the various software can take some patience.

    Sorry for the tangent. I don’t have anything useful to say about home schooling, but your mention of lego, robotics, and programming caught my interest. Those are the sort of things I was interested in at that age, and the relatively inexpensive 3D printers available now are something I would have loved to have access to.

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  • Inky February 17, 2015, 11:08 pm

    I have children from 22 – 10 educated in a variety of cultures and pedagogies. The most astute comment was made by my then 5 year old on his first day of school.

    Teacher: What are you looking out the window for?
    Son: I’m looking to see if there is something better outside.

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  • Cindy H. February 18, 2015, 7:11 am

    I homeschooled both of my boys. One is now in Japan, continuing his linguistic anthropology steps to a bachelor’s, the other is about to head into a Math/Physics combined program. The first went all the way through high school at home, and it was a bit of a chore finding a University (I’m in Canada) to take him. But we did and he’s been on the Dean’s list since. The second opted to jump into the public system in grade 10. He actually likes his teachers.

    Homeschooling was great. I miss it. Is it for every parent? No. Is it for every kid? No. That’s my first point whenever someone asks me about my experiences.

    My second point is that it does not make for socially maladjusted kids. The public system tends to lump children together by age, understandably, so they’re very good at socializing with their peers, better than my kids, not always so good with adults. My youngest finds it interesting that the least loved teachers at school tend to be his favourites. He understands that they want him to learn. He talks to them as if they are people, in an equal partnership in his learning experience.

    My third point is always to stress a love of learning as part of your day, whether you’re homeschooling or not. We’d take time to explore, week-long tangents if the muse led us that way. I completely understand why kids, by high school, are tired of the structured approach. It doesn’t usually allow for straying off topic, for moving around, for argument. Padded curriculum is a learning killer. Stick to basics and do it well and give the rest of it time to happen, and it will.

    There’s no ‘one-size-fits-all’ form of education. Know yourself; know your kid; pay attention. It’s all good.

    And fall camping, when the park is empty, is awesome.

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  • Phil S February 18, 2015, 7:16 am

    As with anything in life, a balance needs to be struck. Is it good to constantly tell children to be quiet? No. As a teacher I’ve found they can be the best teachers and I actively encourage them to help each other, but if I am giving instructions, you bet your ass my classroom is silent.

    Same goes for punishing students by keeping them back after class/lunch time. If you rock up late to my class without a reasonable explanation, my students know they will get kept back. Repeat offenders get lines.

    As for MMM getting in trouble for his noisy students in the hallway. I don’t know how noisy they actually were (maybe his students were quietly whispering to each other?), but I think it is pretty rude to lead noisy students through the hallway past other classrooms. Where is the consideration for others?

    I’m sure MMM would agree that balances need to be struck, but the post comes off to me as “let the kids run free”. I’d like to see MMM in a classroom of 30 students of different levels, interests and learning styles keep every student happy.

    Self learning is important (and in itself is an important lesson), but children need clearly defined boundaries.

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  • Britton February 18, 2015, 7:52 am

    It is interesting watching parents trying to undo for their kids the parts of their childhood that they didn’t fully appreciate themselves. I for one disliked public school. It wasn’t the best way I could learn and I did not do well. I put in enough effort to barely graduate high school.

    In this struggle however I gained the momentum to not be trapped in such a system. Since the public school system is designed as a feeder system for corporate entities, it was no surprise that when I entered the corporate world, it too wasn’t for me.

    I was able to climb the corporate ladder and save lots of money to retire on a tropical island at the age of 34. The system and having been apart of it for so long is what pushed me to plan for my freedom, it also gave me the tools to do it. Had I never experienced the drudgery of it, I probably wouldn’t have worked so hard to escape it.

    You have changed the course of your son’s life no matter what your selected path for him is. You are shaping his view of the world, what he considers success and you will have no idea how that will affect him throughout his lifetime. This is fine as he is your experiment. My point is simply that you cannot know how he will turn out as a result. If it were not for traditional rules on their influence on us, we wouldn’t have had something to work against.

    It may be that he will work against your rules and he will want to spend all of his money, commute to work and start a blog called “Mr Clean Faced Corporate Man. Who knows.

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    • Frugal Bazooka February 22, 2015, 5:50 pm

      great post. It reminds me of my friends who made life so great at home for their kids that they – the kids – never want to go out into the world and fend for themselves. Why should they when things are so good at home??

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  • Jenny February 18, 2015, 8:15 am

    I am sure that your child is going to do very well being homeschooled. But it makes me sad that in your list of Q&As you do not mention anything about wrestling with the value of public education for the whole community. Your son’s absence from his school means one fewer bright, creative kid in the classroom, one fewer set of engaged parents volunteering in the schools and advocating for them to get better and less repressive. If all the engaged parents with enough resources to do so pull their kids out of the public schools (whether for homeschooling or private schools), public schools are left with just kids whose parents are poorer and less educated. That is indisputably bad for those kids, and for the community and society at large.

    I know every parent has to do what’s right for their own kid. But, as with parents who opt out of vaccinating their kids, something important is lost when a significant number of people make the choice that you are making.

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    • Kat February 18, 2015, 8:56 am

      I couldn’t agree more Jenny and I just posted many of the same questions/concerns you did. It’s a complicated subject and I’m glad to hear there are others are considering many different sides. It almost seems like by the time parents realize they need to do something for their child’s sake, it’s too late to let their kid keep attending school while the parents try to work within the school system. I would love to see more parents organizing and working the the schools to improve.

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    • zolotiyeruki February 18, 2015, 9:21 am

      I’ve heard this argument before on occasion, and while I kind of understand it, I don’t agree with it. Here’s why:

      1) My first reaction as a parent is this: “Why should MY kid’s education suffer for the sake of this community, just because other parents aren’t as engaged?”
      2) I don’t understand the claim that (and I hope you’ll forgive the paraphrasing) “If engaged parents pull their kids out of public school…the kids who are left will suffer.” I can understand the argument that the poorer students (economically and academically) would remain. I could argue, though, that such a situation would be *better* for the remaining kids, since the reduced academic diversity would enable teachers to better tailor the education to the classes they have.
      3) In my opinion, schools are there primarily to benefit our kids. It’s not the other way around. Public schools (at least, from our perspective) are a means to an end, not an end in and of themselves.

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      • Jenny February 18, 2015, 9:58 am

        Your answer is thoughtful but also kind of disturbing.

        1. If your child is really suffering, of course you can’t let that happen. That’s why I would not say any specific person is wrong to homeschool their kid–it is probably the best option in some situations, and the decision isn’t up to me. But if you agree that it is worse for the community at large if large numbers of kids with engaged, educated parents to pull their kids out of public schools, I think you have to weigh that in the calculation. That’s what I’m disappointed MMM did not seem to do, at least not in this post. Otherwise, your reasoning is the same as saying “Why should I pay taxes to pay for schools my kids don’t attend, roads I don’t drive on, or safety net programs I don’t use?” or “Why shouldn’t I opt out of vaccinating my kids because they might get a fever, when they will be protected by everybody else’s heard immunity?” Because we live in a civilized society, not a state of nature.

        2. I don’t know how anyone could seriously argue that poor kids with unengaged parents would be better off in a school made up of all poor kids with unengaged parents. Do a little reading about high-poverty inner-city schools.

        3. I think it’s both–schools are there to benefit our kids, AND the community benefits from having children from all walks of life educated, and educated together.

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        • scott February 18, 2015, 11:35 am

          Jenny,

          If you read the academic literature in the field of public economics you will find the conclusions you’ve reached in #2 and #3 above are not quite as obvious and clear cut as you would like to believe.

          For example, a mixture of diverse backgrounds is not unambiguously good for the classroom environment. There are many examples of charter schools that are intentionally designed with low levels of diversity (100% of students are minority boys from low income families) that have been wildly successful. While diversity is generally thought of as a good thing it can create distractions and conflicts that interfere with learning.

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          • Jenny February 18, 2015, 12:03 pm

            Scott, I am not sure what academic literature you’re referring to; care to link to anything?

            The standardized test successes of a few highly publicized, highly resourced charter schools that consist entirely of low-income minority boys does not convince me that, as a general matter, poor kids are better off in high-poverty schools (!). Without knowing anything about you I can say with almost complete certainty that you would not want to send your kid to a high-poverty school if you had a choice. So it takes some balls to say that is the best thing for somebody else’s kid.

            And it is is pretty breathtaking in the post-Brown v. Board of Education era to argue that diversity is bad because it creates “distractions and conflicts.” Diversity is good because it exposes people to different types of people, and the world is full of different types of people. It is possible to wall yourself off in a world of only other people like you, but that is not good for you, for your kids, or for the human condition.

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            • zolotiyeruki February 18, 2015, 12:31 pm

              If you disagree with his statement (backed up with at least some evidence), can you provide some examples to the contrary?

              As to your statement about Brown v. BoE, you’re equivocating again. We’re not talking about racial diversity. We’re talking about diversity of learning abilities in an academic environment. You’re also commiting “Reductio ad absurdum”, by assuming that when we advocate children learning alongside peers of similar academic performance, we’re also advocating perpetual racial, cultural, and economic segregation in every aspect of our kids’ lives.

              Yes, exposure to diversity helps people get along better and avoid irrational biases. My argument is that the classroom setting is not the place to pursue such a goal.

            • scott February 18, 2015, 12:34 pm

              The point I am trying to make is that these issues are much more nuanced than you seem to acknowledge. Are there benefits to diversity? Yes. Can diversity be sacrificed for better reading/writing/math skills, graduation rates, and college placements? Yes. Which is better for society as a whole? Hard to know. Hard to measure which effect dominates.

              Are little MMMs classmates unambiguously worse-off because he is no longer attending school there? It is very hard to measure. Hundreds of empirical studies have attempted to analyze the determinants of educational outcomes but it is rare for these studies to find anything conclusive because it so difficult to control for innate ability.

              You obviously have some very strong opinions. However, there is some evidence and valid points to consider on the other side of your arguments.

            • Jenny February 18, 2015, 12:54 pm

              Hello again. See below for some links to evidence about high-poverty schools.

              But with regard to diversity, yes we ARE talking about racial diversity in addition to socioeconomic diversity. They are highly linked in this country.

              I definitely agree with you that “exposure to diversity helps people get along better and avoid irrational biases.” I do not see how you can then say “My argument is that the classroom setting is not the place to pursue such a goal.” I think the time to start learning how to “get along better and avoid irrational biases” is when we are children and still amenable to learning such lessons.

            • zolotiyeruki February 18, 2015, 1:24 pm

              Lol–the blog software won’t let me respond to your comment, Jenny–I think we may have maxed out the thread depth! :P

              Yes, a young age is a good time for kids to be exposed to diverse cultures, economic situations, etc. I’m arguing that we shouldn’t be expected to sacrifice our kids’ academic potential in service to diversity. In short, the two goals are only incompatible when you try to do both at the same time.

              Given the limitations of the commenting here on the blog, I’m going to start up a new thread in the “Continue the blog discussion” area of the forums. Then we can REALLY go at each others’ throats! :P

        • zolotiyeruki February 18, 2015, 12:23 pm

          Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Here are a couple thoughts I had in response:
          1) I think you’re equivocating “I’m homeschooling my kids because the school isn’t meeting their needs” with “I don’t want to pay taxes for schools my kids don’t attend.” I’m not sure whether to classify it best as a strawman argument, a slippery slope argument, or an equivocation, but in any case, it’s a logical fallacy. :)
          2) I said that I *could* make that claim about the remaining students being better off. My point (and I guess I wasn’t clear enough) was that I’ve heard your argument lots of times, without any hard evidence or statistics to back it up. So I’ll make my own similar argument with a corresponding quantity of data.
          3) I hear what you’re saying here, but you’re making two very different claims here. Does a community benefit from having all kids educated? I’d agree with you that that it does. Does a community benefit when all kids are educated in the same classroom at the same pace? That’s where you and I disagree; at least, I’ve seen the negative effects of such a system, but haven’t seen evidence (even anecdotal) that it benefits lower-performing students.

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          • Jenny February 18, 2015, 12:48 pm

            1. I agree that “I’m homeschooling my kids because the school isn’t meeting their needs” is not the same as “I don’t want to pay taxes for schools my kids don’t attend.” But I do think that “I am making a choice that is better for my family but worse for society at large and not even considering the effects on society” is akin to wanting to opt out of paying taxes. Again, not arguing what the right conclusion is for any particular person, but I’m saying that the effects on the rest of the community are worth considering.

            2. If there is really a dispute about whether high poverty schools are good for students (!), here is a study showing that students at high poverty schools have lower test scores and graduation rates than students at low poverty schools: http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2010/2010028.pdf

            And that low-income students do better in mixed-income schools: http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/may13/vol70/num08/Boosting-Achievement-by-Pursuing-Diversity.aspx

            3. This is not a statistical question but a moral one. I believe a successful public education system is essential to the functioning of a democracy.

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            • zolotiyeruki February 18, 2015, 1:06 pm

              1) Ah, I think I understand your point better now. Thanks for clarifying. We’ve actually thought about this point a fair bit (the whole “my kid’s presence will benefit lower-performing kids” argument). We frankly cannot stomach the idea of harming our kids’ education in order to bring some undefined, unproven, unquantified benefit to their classmates because the classmates’ parents aren’t as engaged.
              2) When did the whole “poor vs rich” thing enter the argument? I thought we were talking about high- vs low-performing students.
              3) Simply stating that it’s a “moral issue” doesn’t excuse you from providing logical arguments to support your position. What are the specific benefits you see from making kids learn the same things at the same time and at the same pace?

            • peachfuzzstacher February 18, 2015, 1:16 pm

              @Jenny,
              This is an interesting topic –

              Would you have a similar grievance against MMM if he decided to move to another district instead of home-schooling? What about a better-functioning district with even less need of his parental engagement and resources? Is this different from home school?

        • Marcia February 18, 2015, 12:43 pm

          This is an interesting discussion.

          My son is in public school, and he’s one of those smart kids with engaged parents. And we struggle with this.

          Our school district is very polarized. There are 2-3 very good schools that are mostly Caucasian with great test scores. They are highly competitive, with long lists of families trying to transfer in from out of the attendance areas.

          There are 3-4 schools that are 99% Latino, about 75-90% English learner and poor. They don’t score very well, and there is a ton of “white flight” from those schools.

          There are a couple of schools in the middle, and this is where it gets interesting.

          Our school (that we transferred into) is in the middle. The Caucasian students do VERY well, but the English learner students score very poorly. Our English learner population’s test scores are almost at the complete bottom. Only one school scores worse. So of the 3 schools that are predominantly English Learner, two of them score better.

          That shows me that even in a school that is *mostly* disadvantaged, kids can do better than in a mixed school. Our principal struggles to figure out why we are failing our English learners. I sympathize – some of it is simply that the last 5 years have seen our demographics go from 60% English speaking to 25%, and the teachers haven’t adjusted. On the other hand, the reason we transferred IN is because the school is CLEARLY not failing the English SPEAKING children. And of course many parents worry that any work done to improve the other student body will detract from our kids.

          I specifically didn’t want my kid in a rich, snooty, all Caucasian, uber-competitive environment. I wanted a mixed student body. But it’s not all rainbows and unicorns.

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  • Barb Z February 18, 2015, 8:19 am

    Public schools can be life saving though for kids with less fortunate lives than your son and the lives of kids with parents educated and concerned enough to be reading this blog. I grew up in foster care during most of my schooling years and the best of the homes were just benign. The worst of them were neglectful and abusive. Public school teachers gave me love, hope and the strength to get through and even intervened by reporting my bruises to child protective services. I was told in my foster home that future beatings would be in places that couldn’t be seen by nosy school teachers (promise kept). I KNOW that I wouldn’t have survived my chaotic home life had I not had the love, affection and attention of public school teachers so let’s keep in mind that while the education system is undoubtedly flawed, it can be a lifeline for some kids.

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    • Ms Money Penny February 20, 2015, 3:43 pm

      Barb Z,

      I’m glad and very happy for you that you found teachers in schools who made up for the abusive treatment you received in foster care. As an educator, I know that concern and compassion for the vulnerable in society are often what attracts teachers to the profession. But wouldn’t it be much better, and more rational, to address the problem of abuse within the foster care system, rather than expecting schools to make up for failures in other parts of our society?
      I don’t say this to be unsympathetic; it’s just that it seems to me that one of the reasons our schools are failing is precisely because we’re asking them to do *everything* — not just educating, but also (and especially — see comment above about withdrawing middle-class kids from the public school system) righting the effects of income inequality. Really? If we want to make income inequality disappear, there are a lot of other avenues to choose — income redistribution through progressive taxation, welfare support systems, income caps, etc. All those have a much more direct effect than trying to get kids coming from low-income families perform at the same or higher level than kids who come from high-income ones. That is just as unlevel a playing field as I can think of. Similarly for abuse in foster care homes: let’s put the resources and attention where they need to be — onto the foster care system. It’s more direct and more effective. Schools can’t solve all the ills of our societies — though I’m very, very relieved for you that you found human beings who showed concern and commitment to the kid you were.

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      • Barb Z February 28, 2015, 4:58 pm

        I agree with you completely that school teachers and the school system should not be saddled with keeping foster kids safe in addition to their long line of responsibilities. There is no question that there are more efficient and effective ways to address the abuses in the foster care system. I chimed in as I felt the conversation was heading toward damming the entire education system. I later regretted commenting as my situation wasn’t what was being discussed in this MMM essay. I am probably hypersensitive to criticism of teachers since they gave me support and love during a critical time in my life and I am sure that teachers now are still providing the same care for vulnerable kids even though it isn’t and shouldn’t be in their job description.

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  • Huxley February 18, 2015, 8:36 am

    Oh noes. Kids have to learn to follow the rules and not do whatever the hell they want all the time! what a crazy idea.. Society has rules, people will have to follow them. You’re kids will need to learn this at some point. He might even have to do things he doesn’t like some times too. But lets not teach him that shall we..?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache February 19, 2015, 1:59 pm

      Huxley, there is something you need to know about “The Rules”….

      http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2013/10/22/theres-something-you-need-to-know-about-the-rules/

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      • Amanda February 20, 2015, 1:05 pm

        MMM, I agree with you about the rules, but I have a question that has to do with the other part of Huxley’s comment: having to do things you don’t like. I work with Executive Function difficulties, and a huge part of my job is helping them learn to be okay with following rules. Many of them become extremely anxious or frustrated when faced with arbitrary rules in a way that negatively affects their lives–for example, a kid might love gymnastics class except for the part where they have to ask permission to go to the bathroom, and their reaction to this feeling of injustice might be so strong that they absolutely refuse to attend the class at all, therefore missing out on an activity they really like (and one that is hard to pursue outside of a specific class in a specific setting). Do you have any practices in your family for teaching your son to manage with his feelings around not wanting to do things, other than avoiding or withdrawing from the things?

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      • huxley February 23, 2015, 10:29 am

        eh well. Breaking social rules (xmas shopping spree) are fine, but there are some legal rules you can’t break. Files taxes; not fun but you have to sit down and do it. Not unlike taking classes that are boring..
        I didn’t like math classes in school, but I had to sit through them and I managed to get an engineering degree, and I now appreciate math more. What kids think is “not fun/unnecessary” might be something they need to be told to do anyway. You know, just in case 8 year olds aren’t great at seeing what’s useful and not when they’re 30..

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  • Kat February 18, 2015, 8:51 am

    I’m not surprised that you’re homeschooling your son, it seems like a very natural progression and I’m sure you’re doing a fantastic job and he will grow up to be a confident and intelligent person! One thing that struck me at the end of the post was that you’re “improving upon the system of our society while working peacefully with its boundaries.” I think I understand what you are trying to say, but if the system you are referring to is our educational system, is taking your son (and therefore your concern and influence as a parent) out of that system helping to improve it? You definitely addressed this when you said your son “needed a solution right now” and I’m glad you found one, but with your kid not in public school will the “separate battle” of improving the system really be a priority to you? It seems to me you are not putting this issue on the back burner, but dismissing it all together for the alternative you’ve found.

    I don’t have kids now, but I imagine when I do I will face the same challenge you just went through. I think if parents see the public education system as broken, aren’t they the same people who have the influence to change it by demanding or working on change? If all parents who homeschool are aware of the issues and care enough about them to remove their kids, does that not also remove a contingent of concerned and hard-working parents who might be able to improve the system for their own child AND for the other children who attend?

    I’m not saying that you don’t have every right to do what you think is best for your child as an individual, and like you said, you needed an immediate solution. I’m also not saying hat you should allow your child to suffer through a poor education because you want to support public education, but how do you reconcile that your child is probably not (definitely not from the comments left on this post) the only one who suffers from the failures of our public school system? I’m just wondering if your right-now solution, which removed your kid from the system, is actually improving the system? Do you have plans to work on a more long term solution? My suspicion is that by removing your kid from public education, you’ve removed your concern for that same system because it is no longer immediately effecting your life or your child’s life. Therefore, every parent concerned enough to homeschool their kid is one less parent who would take action to improve public education for all kids.

    Just my thoughts, I would love to hear a response!

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    • Mark T February 21, 2015, 8:57 pm

      I’ve heard this argument a few times in the comments. I would like to add a different perspective. As with any organization with customers, if the organization feels that the customers have no alternatives then any complaints by the customers will be meet with superficial actions. There is no incentive for the organization to change because they have captive customers. This is essentially what has been going on with the public school system. Parents had very few alternatives because of the need for dual income households or homeschooling not being socially acceptable or difficult to do due to lack of access to information and material. The public school system’s response was more funding while not actually improving results.

      Now if the customers started leaving and began to impact the bottom line then the organization has incentive to address their concerns. This is essentially what is happening with charter schools and the homeschooling movement. Sure property taxes are still paid to fund the schools but if there are not students in the schools then the school doesn’t get any of it. Each child in attendance increases the schools funding. So if enough students leave then the schools have incentive to get better. The teachers unions have incentive to change and actually get rid of the bad teachers because of they don’t then they won’t have anymore union members. Having more kids out of the system also makes it socially acceptable and increases the available resource and support groups to homeschoolers. This exodus of students from the school system will further motivate the system to change and open up the conversation on why students are leaving in the first place.

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  • BLT February 18, 2015, 10:03 am

    You might find John Dewey’s 1938 classic “Education and Experience” an engaging read!

    He was a major philosopher of alternatives to traditional education systems, and thought carefully about some of the assumptions about how we learn that, as you point out here, actually tend to limit our and our children’s learning. Most of the education he proposed, and eventually tested at the ‘laboratory school’ he founded at the University of Chicago for faculty children, involved harnessing children’s natural curiosity. For example, to learn about geography, geology, and physics, the children would used sandboxes and water pitchers to create their own landscapes, thereby learning about river systems, deltas, lakes, etc. Or, to learn about the industrial revolution, children would begin by making cloth (textiles and textile history), and then come up with solutions to make the process easier and more efficient.

    There are many other resources about Dewey and his laboratory school, of course, which you might find very interesting.

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  • Kendra February 18, 2015, 10:05 am

    I decided to become a teacher to try to help children recapture the joys of learning. Little did I know that I would be hit with such obstacles as children with learning disabilities and personality disorders in the same classroom with regular and advanced students, testing requirements that eat up time for more productive endeavors, draconian discipline policies that have to be enforced just to show the kids who will try that they can’t walk over you, being seen as an enemy or weakling to be conquered by mobs of bored angry kids, policies and procedures that in practice make absolutely no sense, severe lack of guidance and resources to accomplish the tasks I want and need to accomplish, and a nagging desire to quit and start a home tutoring service.

    I’m with MMM on this one, but public schools in general are an invitation for failure, mob rule, and degeneration. That’s my take on the situation, anyway. I started as a bright-eyed optimistic educator, but now I’m one of those hardened “shushers.” The kids aren’t going to use their time wisely anyway; they’ve already been trained to think that learning isn’t fun. We took away recess on the playground, so now they try to have it in the classrooms.

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  • Kimberly February 18, 2015, 10:39 am

    Never commented before. Love your site. read it daily. I remember that you discussed homeschooling last year or made a comment to the effect of kids not being socialized…wish I could pull up the link for you…but I’m glad to see that you have come around. Ironically, most people that i have run into that homeschool their kids are people who have at least a four year degree, many of whom are former teachers. I have a PhD and have homeschooled my three daughters, one of which entered college at 16. I have a senior this year and a 7th grader. been doing this for a while, before there were blogs and all these people writing books about it and co-ops, etc.

    The one thing that I wish someone would have told me was that being assigned to a grade level i.e. “What grade are you in?” does not matter – let your child learn whatever his heart’s desire with no ceiling – and do not try to replicate traditional school at home. Playing in the pond, collecting things to look at under a microsope is learning and there is no need to write up a lab on it just so you can check a box. We started with traditional schooling but gravitated to a more unschooling style. It’s all about educating the individual child not grades, which my children have thrived in such an environment. Good luck. It’s a great journey, even for the parents.

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  • Bud February 18, 2015, 10:54 am

    MMM, it seems that the decision to homeschool was prompted by the anxiety issues that you describe (if I recall past posts, you liked your local schools and their quality factored into your decision about where to live) . If these issues had not cropped up (with increasing frequency and severity, it appears), do you think you would have continued with public school? I’m curious to know if you would have developed some sort of hybrid home/public school plan if your son had been thriving in public school.

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  • Denise Pulli February 18, 2015, 11:17 am

    I have a daughter who will be 35 this year. Her first years in public school went uneventfully. She was identified in third grade as having a “gifted’ intellect and we were fortunate enough to live in a school district that provided enrichment for such kids. However, by high school, we had moved. My daughter just did not fit in with the high school culture and she was miserable, which led to acting out in a big way. She’d mouth off to the teachers and principal, refuse to wear the ugly gym suit, etc. Administrators saw her as a problem and just wanted her to knuckle under; I was in despair as to what to do about this unhappy and rebellious kid. Finally, when she was in 11th grade, we found out that the community college would test and admit certain students if they met the criteria. She took the tests, was accepted and left public high school. The administration was delighted to see her go. Once in college, you’d think she was a different kid. Motivated, respectful, and above all, happy. She completed her coursework and passed the GED test. Long story short, today she has a Ph.D. in Microbiology and Immunology and leads a productive work life, as well as a happy home life. MMM, you know your own kid – kudos for having the courage and the commitment to do what is right for your son.

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  • Kim February 18, 2015, 11:19 am

    Congratulations, it sounds like an exciting time for your family!

    My niece is 11 and goes to school here in Colorado, when she told me that they don’t go outside to play at all my first instinct was to start a protest outside the school :) Free the children from the desks!

    On the flip-side I just spent this past weekend visiting my sister’s family in Portland, my nephews go to “Opal Charter School” at the Children’s museum. The first grade classroom currently has 2 giant cardboard forts that the kids have been working on throughout the year – entirely kid driven and designed. From what I have seen it’s a dream school. It’s based on the model created by Louis Malaguzzi in Reggio Emilia Italy. http://reggioalliance.org/

    “The child has a hundred languages, a hundred hands, a hundred thoughts, a hundred ways of thinking, of playing, of speaking … and a hundred, hundred more.” – Loris Malaguzzi, founder of the early childhood centers in Reggio Emilia, Italy

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  • Kels February 18, 2015, 11:43 am

    Woohoo! As a young adult who was homeschooled, I greatly approve of this post. Homeschoolers are well adjusted people who know how to think and are fantastic at “hacking” life.

    For example, I found a way to dual enroll in college and high school classes when I was in 10th grade, and was able to shave 2 years off of my bachelor’s degree for FREE. I also had the time many public schoolers lack to teach piano lessons and speech classes. Being able to set my own hours at a young age, and get paid to do something I loved, set the groundwork for my current obsession with mustachianism and early retirement.

    Example 2 – my little sister has no desire to go to college and, instead of spending her extra hours doing dual credit like I did, she’s being a badass entrepreneur and providing child care and pet care services. She’s making bank and is saving almost all of her earnings so she can invest in future ventures or learning hard skills.

    Example 3 – my other sister wanted to travel, so my parents arranged for her to spend 3 months in Budapest with family friends in the MIDDLE OF THE SCHOOL YEAR. She volunteered at the library they ran and helped watch their small children in exchange for food, board and an amazing opportunity to explore Europe.

    Homeschooling is legit and I’m so excited the Mustache family has the means to do it. It’s not for the faint of heart, and takes parental dedication. But I strongly encourage any parents who can homeschool to do it. You won’t regret it.

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  • Dan February 18, 2015, 12:25 pm

    When we talk about our kids education we tend to be a little emotional. With that there is so many anecdotal evidences given in this discussion. Since MM is into science, I would like to bring in some statistics to the discussion.
    http://www.hslda.org/docs/study/ray2009/2009_Ray_StudyFINAL.pdf

    According to statistics, government regulation on homeschooling does nothing to improve the outcome.

    There is a weak correlation to the parents education level and a kids academic abilities, but the correlation is much stronger for those who go to public school!

    The most interesting statistic for me is that no matter what style of homeschooling one does the outcome is mostly the same. So what makes the outcomes for homeschoolers so much better then those who go to public school? I believe that parents are investing in their kids and that makes all the difference, that is how it should be.

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  • ConArtist February 18, 2015, 1:18 pm

    You had me at “Fuck That.” Excellent post. I notice the same type of conformity pervades my job where I’ve been criticized (by my boss) for not donning the right color shirt or tie…to which I finally replied, “Well, Sir, I don’t believe in the stifling of self-expression for the mere sake of conformity.” A bit smug I suppose, but it felt pretty damn good afterward. Rock on dude.

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  • Mr. Enchumbao February 18, 2015, 3:32 pm

    Hi MMM,
    I’m new commenting here but not new to your blog-I’ve been a reader and promoter of your philosophy since early 2012 as they align so well with ours. I”m glad you decided to homeschool your child and I had a feeling you might go in that direction at some point. John Gatto also has a great book called Dumbing Us Down and it tells the truth behind the school system. We’re working on our FI path and are predicting to become FI in about 4 years. We’re starting to baby plan so we hope to be in early retirement by the time our future first child is ready for school so that we can homeschool. Our plan is to move abroad once we have the FU money needed. We feel that we want to raise world citizens with a diverse mindset and that can best be provided by home schooling. It will also free us from the school calendar year, which you mentioned, and that’s big plus because we like to travel during off seasons. We just launched our new lifestyle blog this week! Please check us out, thanks and good luck with the home schooling. Would you be teaching your son the art of memorization?

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  • Cris H February 18, 2015, 5:28 pm

    I have been waiting for this post since your family tiptoed into homeschooling by way of the “part-time” homeschooling solution almost exactly a year ago. Please believe me when I say I was not in any way rooting against your arrangement with the local school. But I’m not surprised to see you realize the benefit of going whole-hog over keeping ties with the system. I concur with pretty much everything you’ve posted about what you’ve learned so far about education and commend you for seeing the absolute EFFICIENCY of homeschooling (even if none of the rest!) I had my own fuck-it moment over 7 years ago and pulled my two under eight out of private school when I realized we really couldn’t afford to see them through 12 years of it. My elder daughter took and passed the CHSPE last October and became a full-fledged community college student this month. (While she could have taken classes as a high schooler, her load would have been limited and her chance at getting transferrable classes would have been under 50%.) So congrats from this homeschool mom from California! It’s a wonderful lifestyle, ain’t it!!

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  • Ariel T February 18, 2015, 6:19 pm

    I found your perfect school!! This teacher has gotten it right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EUEg7kd6Cg

    In all seriousness, my husband and I were both homeschooled for most of our education (he from first grade on and I from second on). We both had crappy teachers (one of mine hated children, go figure). Both of us were far ahead of our classmates come college time. My husband used ACE curriculum through a “school” he went to (it was basically just a larger group of homeschoolers) and my family used A-Beka and also used the Iowa test at the end of the year (as it was required in our state). The teachers in Virginia just teach what is needed for standardized testing (because they are demonized for teaching outside of the requirements) so students end up just as you described them (as a college English instructor, I often have to correct what they didn’t learn in high school). Enjoy the video! We thought you might get a kick out of it and my husband begged me to send it!

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  • Vanessa February 18, 2015, 6:28 pm

    Love love love that you and your family are homeschooling! We homeschool our boys ages 11 and almost-8 for all of the reasons you mention- including your list of surprising advantages! After starting out the earlier years with a Waldorf-inspired literature-based curriculum we have transitioned to a student-directed approach and the boys (and I) couldn’t be happier. I’ve recommended your blog to lots of friends but now I’m excited to share your posts about education with homeschooling friends too. Congrats on the new lifestyle- it’s the best.

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  • Prudence Debtfree February 18, 2015, 8:37 pm

    My youngest daughter fainted at her school’s band practice and suffered a concussion. We were advised today, by a doctor, to keep her home from school for two weeks. I felt a real regret at the fact that I wouldn’t be able to stay home with her and home-school her through her recovery. Instead, I will be working at a high school (which I think you would approve of – nothing like the dictatorship you described) with other teens. It is of enormous value to have the freedom to decide whether or not to home-school. I wish I had provided for such a freedom many years ago. (On a more positive note, I am fifty-one years old, and I do both barbell and dumb bell squats : )

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