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Money Has Made Me Weak: MMM Family Spending Rises to $256,000

Money Mustache - Be Gone.

Money Mustache – Be Gone.  (photo credit: The Man who Gets His Cars for Free)

In my opinion, the first rule of being a reasonable person is admitting when you are wrong, so you can learn from it. So I want to admit something right now: I was wrong about spending money.

Remember how all this time I’ve been telling you that life is better if you aren’t focused on the pursuit of luxury? Yeah, well that turned out to be bullshit.

It was just a way of me trying to fool myself into believing I could be happy spending less money. Because I didn’t really have any other option at the time. Now that the money has started rolling in, I realize that the other rich people weren’t so dumb after all.

See, without really planning or deserving it, I stumbled into a goldmine by starting this website. It has become a truly once-in-a-hundred-lifetimes situation, with over 18 million people stopping by so far and hundreds crawling around at any given moment. With this level of traffic, even the minimal level of advertising you see at the bottom is enough to make freight trains of cash. More than enough money every month, for a family to live extremely well on for a year.

The pressure of all this money gradually overwhelmed me. It started with just tossing a $7.00 chunk of imported Gouda cheese into the shopping cart every now and then. I started throwing in a 12-pack of craft beer even when they were priced at 18 bucks, and sharing them freely with friends on the back patio. Then I bought my brother’s family a nice new fridge, because it was his birthday and they really needed one to complement their excellent cooking skills. I didn’t even notice the loss of that $1500 for a second. It makes me feel good every time I visit and see them putting it to good use.

So this made me realize, hey, even leasing a top-of-the-line Tesla Model S P90D at $1400/month would be just an imperceptible nibble out this incredible torrent of money. And I like fast cars. Especially when they are built on revolutionary technology that will change the world as we know it. It seemed worthwhile to at least try owning one to see if it would actually make my life happier. And it did.

Mrs. Money Mustache was not a car person at all, until she set the vehicle to “Ludicrous mode” and hit 60 MPH in 2.8 seconds. Now we have his and her Teslas.

his-and-hers

Mine’s the red one.

I had been living in a 1532 square foot house with no garage, constantly moving things out of the way so I could get to other things. The place was too small. Why live this way? I could afford a bigger house. In Cash. Every year! 

So we bought one – a nice 8200 square foot place just a couple miles away. You can still get a lot of house here in Longmont for $1.8 million, and with the interest rates so low, the mortgage payment on this place is only $8,500 per month. That’s a lot of money for a normal person, but again, at this new higher level it amounts to a few hours of work. Why the hell not?

newhouse

Home Sweet Home

Now the three of us finally have room to stretch out. To host family and friends in style. To do our own stuff without getting in each other’s hair.

I think I have finally absorbed the message of the many successful people that have stopped by to educate me in the comments sections of every newspaper I’ve had the good fortune of interviewing with over the years: My money is my own. I earned it, I deserve it, and it’s nobody’s business how I spend it.

After just a few more changes including some help with the house cleaning and gardens, private school for little MM, food delivery and better restaurants (turns out we don’t really like cooking after all), I found that our annual budget had swelled a little. We went from about $25,000 to $256,000.

Even after this adjustment, we’re still saving plenty, so where’s the problem? And we are much happier for the change. 

Frugality is fine – I’ve still got plenty of tightwad cred with my programmable thermostat, a hole in my favorite sweater and duct tape patches on some of my winter gear.  But no more of this extreme frugality like the old Mr. Money Mustache. That’s for poor people.

Oh, and April Fools, obviously.

The Real 2015 MMM Family Spending Report!

In real life, this is the extent of my fanciness. A pretty fine kitchen and I even upgraded my frying pan and spatula this year.

In real life, this is the extent of my fanciness. No McMansions, but still a pretty fine mostly-complete kitchen if I can flatter my own DIY skills a little. And I even upgraded my frying pan and spatula this year.

The part about the excessive income is real*. But I only mention it to show other wealthy people that we don’t live this slightly-less-ridiculous-than-average lifestyle because it’s all we can afford. We just live the best life we can dream up given our current level of skill, and this is what it happens to cost.

Our total 2015 Actual Spending was $23,941.44 according to the spreadsheet. While most humans that have ever lived since the invention of currency would find this to be an insanely high amount to work with, it can be a surprise to some of my fellow one-percenter Americans. So here are a few mental adjustments to keep in mind:

  • We own our house with no mortgage. If you were to finance a place like this, the monthly payment would be at least $1700/month. So you’d add $20k if comparing to a mortgaged life.
  • It doesn’t include income taxes. If you live at this level of spending and set your income level (from investments) to match it closely, you’ll pay no income tax. If you’re still earning and saving, you do need to pay the tax. In 2015, because of these unexpected earnings, I paid several times more in income tax than we spent on our entire lifestyle. But the amount of tax depends entirely on how much you earn, which is why I don’t count it as part of spending.
  • This is only the spending, not the saving that any non-retired person should be doing. Even if you only max out an IRA, that’s another $5500. Hopefully much higher though : employer 401(k)s let you contribute $18,000 these days.

So all told, we consume at an equivalent rate to a fairly financially irresponsible family with an  income of $62,000 per year. That is, if a family of three earned $62k, paid tax, foolishly took out a mortgage on a $400,000 house, and saved just a tiny bit into the 401(k), they’d run out of money at roughly this level of spending.

Exploring Arches National Park with my little buddy during a camping trip there, April 2015

Exploring Arches National Park with my little buddy during a camping trip there, April 2015

If they commuted to work in large cars like most people do, add another $15,000 or so. With just a few other nudges towards “normal” (cable TV or a taste for Starbucks or fancy shoes, for example) a lifestyle no more noticeably fancy than my own would consume an entire $100,000 salary very easily. So it’s not really an ultra-frugal life. Just a somewhat optimized version of an upper-middle-class life.

And here’s where it all went:

Category20142015Comments
Mortgage Interest00
Property Taxes2,1201411We downsized houses in mid-2014. 2015 was the first full year of enjoying the new lower tax rate.
Food and Dining7,1097,400
   Groceries   6,593   6,232See article: Killing your $1000 Grocery Bill
   Wine/Beer   322   627This includes parties, I don't drink this much myself!
   Restaurants, Coffee Shop   194   541Our major indulgence increase this year. Longmont's "Flavor of India" and "Sushi Hana" are the chief beneficiaries of this spending.
Healthcare4,2683,733
   Doctor Visits   484   0A thankfully healthy year for all
   Health Insurance   3,272   3,000For 2016 this will be double due to a new health insurance plan. (A downside of the ACA for those with very high incomes)
   Dentist   512   256
   Pharmacy   n/a   42
   Physical Therapy   435Mrs. MM was recovering from a nagging case of "frozen shoulder" this year.
Auto and Transport490945
   Gasoline   71   332Includes two trips to Utah in my gas-guzzling van: one for the annual "Safety Pirates" snowboarding trip, one for camping with the family and some friends.
   Insurance   347   357Fantastically cheap thanks to Geico
   Registration & Testing   72   1692005 Scion xA and 1999 Honda Odyssey
   Express Tolls   0   0Started taking Uber to the airport instead of driving
   Service & Parts   n/a   88Wiper blades, brake shoes, and oil change supplies
   Public Transportation   0   0Nothing against the bus, Bikes are just faster
Utilities1,6141652Electricity, Gas (heating, cooking), trash/recycling, city park fees, etc.
Cell Phone300539Google Fi and Republic Wireless
Internet Access360692Damn that is expensive.
Home429<120>
   Home Renovations   19120Curtains and some paint. Does not include $10k of materials used in actually finishing the build-out of this house, since we're still running a profit due to the 2014 downsizing.
   Home Insurance   4100I am self-insured for now, since the cost (and extremely low probability) of replacing the house would not be a significant burden.
   Landscaping/Plants   0I did plant a remarkably successful tomato plant this year - probably got $100 of kickass tomatoes off of that thing.
Gifts/Donations1,1551,747Mostly school/family gifts. Does not include donations made by the business.
Crossfit/Yoga330230Mrs. MM switched to Yoga (social event with friends) and working out at home for this year.
School Tuition00Mixture of homeschooling and neighborhood public school
Misc2,0983095
   Shoes & Clothing   492   754Both boy and lady got some fancy new winter gear this year.
   Sporting Goods   76   0
   Shopping Misc   654   1,274Storage baskets, insoles, compost bin, terrarium, suitcases, computer stuff, bike parts, household items, microwave, ottomans, coffee grinder, axe, frying pan, cheese grater
   Books, games, gifts   61   488Includes several thousand Magic the Gathering Cards
   Other   815   580Monthly Netflix, Movies Out, Bike Parts
Travel5,0572,376Flights to Canada in Summer, Estes Park VRBO house rental with inlaws in fall
TOTAL25,33023,941Hey, looks like it actually went down this year.
   Subtracting Tuition, Donations   24,17522,194
   Subtracting travel, crossfit   18,78819,588
   Subtracting organic/luxury food   16,44217,531Assuming a 33% increase on groceries due to organic + meat.
   Subtracting home renovation expense16,42317,411This is what our "no frills" living cost would be, unless we moved to a smaller house (Note: Misc category could be cut down a lot as well)

And so it goes – the years turn by and our spending barely changes. Someday there will be more exciting surprises in this report, but for now life remains happy without becoming more expensive.

Ask Me Anything!

I usually don’t intrude too much in the comments section, but since there are a bunch of new people here these days I originally put up an open invitation here for any and all questions.

It was overwhelming but fun – I spent the entire April 1st furiously typing and clicking on the computer to answer questions. Maybe hundreds of them – I didn’t even keep track. All I know is that I have a very sore neck and a flabby midsection from spending almost the whole day indoors today. So I have to sign off – sorry I didn’t get time to answer all of them. Tomorrow calls for beautiful weather so I’m getting back out there.

You can read the results in the comments below.  I hope some of it is useful to you!

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How to track your spending: We do almost all spending using a good cash-back credit card, and let the Personal Capital and Mint apps automatically categorize everything and display it in pretty pie charts and percentages for us. As a non-budget person, I find this method of tracking to be revolutionary, as it happens even when you are busy living life and forgetting about money. If you prefer to work within the more disciplined framework of a budget, take a test drive of You Need a Budget. Used by a surprisingly large number of Mustachians, which is how I heard about it in the first place.

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* So what will I do with so much extra cash? Why do I bother continuing to make any money if I don’t need it for myself? Many people ask this. The answer in my case is to continue to live roughly at this level of consumption, lead a secure and generous life, and reinvest the rest back into society, both through traditional charity and interesting projects made possible by the reach of this website (renewable energy, advocating bikes, making better cities, etc).

 

 

  • Rich v April 1, 2016, 11:30 am

    “my fellow one-percenter Americans”

    Are you saying you’re in the 1%, or that you think the average American is in the 1% compared to the rest of the world? Doesn’t it take in the neighborhood of $450k/yr in income to qualify for the 1% here in the US (probably higher for Colorado)?

    Reply
    • Jay Holden April 1, 2016, 11:33 am

      A yearly salary of $35k puts you firmly in the world’s top 1%.

      Reply
  • Ree Klein April 1, 2016, 11:31 am

    Holy cow! You really had me going!!! I haven’t hung out here in a while but when that headline showed up in my inbox it rally grabbed my attention :)

    So glad that you get to keep your mustache…and your readers!

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  • Ben Trutter April 1, 2016, 11:32 am

    MMM,

    As a fellow Coloradan (albeit new), what do you suggest for living arrangements in the Boulder Housing bubble? Both myself and the fiance work in Boulder and are currently renting. Do we look for a foreclosure to fix up (most are 300k+) or continue renting our small 1 bedroom apartment? She is a mile bike ride from work and I am only 6 miles by bike ride so we don’t want to move too far from this setup. I sold my car and her Jetta is all paid off. Longmont/Louisville could be an option but would force a commute onto both of us and I don’t think the slightly cheaper housing would be more beneficial than our short commute and 1-car setup. any advice for first time home buyers?

    Thanks!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 12:17 pm

      Hi Ben, I’d never suggest someone voluntarily subject themselves to a commute from Longmont to Boulder. Better to just stick with the blissful walk/bike arrangements.

      If you can find a fixer-upper in Boulder in the 300s, that would be an amazing investment. Likewise for NW Louisville, which is much closer than Longmont and easily bikeable (that’s where I lived during my years of living in Boulder). Otherwise, renting is great. Or finding a job in a non-million-dollar town, or one that allows you to work remotely.

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  • Michele April 1, 2016, 11:34 am

    You spendy-ass sonovabitch, you don’t need a spatula to flip sizzling hot food in a frying pan. That’s what your tongue is for, duh!

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  • Philip April 1, 2016, 11:35 am

    When I got to the part about leasing Teslas, I still hadn’t figured out it was a joke and my heart sank to learn you had actually LEASED two high end vehicles!! Then I kept reading, and realized what had happened. Well done!

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  • Ap999 April 1, 2016, 11:36 am

    You had me fooled! But I wasn’t hating, I was actually thinking good for you and right on! You did earn it and it is your business how you will want to spend or not spend your money! Keep up the good work! I have a lot of work to do… My current spending has been in the 25k-30k range year after year. But as a single man that seems to be a lot more considering you support a family of 3.

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  • Alex April 1, 2016, 11:39 am

    Hey MMM! Love the site, the philosophy on life, everything.
    Currently on my path to FI. I have found a happy place(for now) with my spending and currently am focusing on the offensive side by aiming to increase my income.
    Do you have any articles/advice on starting a side business? Perhaps mentioning LLC and benefits of company tax write-offs? I have a plan and a product now its time to get the ball rolling and do it legally and as financially savvy way as possible.

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  • Jeremy April 1, 2016, 11:39 am

    A-Hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I actually bought into that!!!! And nearly fell off my chair!!!!

    It was like being hit in the stomach. Reading the first half of that article was, like, making me re-question everything MMM has said about himself for years, and I was just starting to think MMM was Corporate Hack and Mole all along!

    And, then. “April Fools”.

    Thank God!!!

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  • Julie April 1, 2016, 11:40 am

    Loved it. Got me for a second. I have a “what would MMM do?” question for you. We live in a super expensive area (SF Bay), with a nice income that doesn’t go as far as you’d think. Real estate prices are so insane, we don’t even want to buy a house here. The plus side is we are putting a good chunk of money in our retirement accounts. We talk about moving to a more affordable area all the time so we can buy our own house, but our income would go down, thus our savings power as well.
    So stay in expensive area while being able to put a lot of $$$ aside, or move somewhere cheaper and be able to buy a house with savings contributions going down?
    Have a good one!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 12:03 pm

      Hi Julie, if I were to try to optimize money in San Francisco, I’d probably do the math on income vs. expense for that area versus other high-paying tech areas (including Colorado).

      Then rent a good place for the duration of my work career, keep an eye out for opportunities to work remotely to move out before true retirement, and then when actually retiring, zoom on out of there.

      On the other hand there are a ton of SF Mustachians who DO buy places, but then subsidize them nicely with AirBnB or renting out part of them. I hear their inspiring stories quite often (I’ve even stayed in a couple of their BnB suites!)

      And yet another consideration is that San Francisco is an amazing place. Given enough money, it’s worth it to many people to stay there for life.

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  • Cathy April 1, 2016, 11:41 am

    HI MMM…love your stuff. We ‘self insure’ on our cars except for the liability insurance. As for homeowners you say you ‘self insure’ there. We carry an umbrella insurance policy to cover any ‘over the top’ suing that could happen if someone is injured either working on our house or slip and fall kind of stuff. Do you have a way of carrying an umbrella without carrying homeowners? Curious…cause I could see self insuring the house too

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  • Dawn April 1, 2016, 11:43 am

    So you got me. I was a little shocked and ready to un-subscribe. This may sound like a dumb question, but how do you earn money off this web site? I’m seeing a simple web site. I don’t see any affiliate links or paid advertising. Just curious. Not that I’m nosey, just trying to learn. Thanks for all your info.

    Reply
  • Mr. Thriftyskate April 1, 2016, 11:44 am

    I quickly realized what day it was haha. Joking aside, has the ever-larger scale at which you positively shape people’s lives affected the types of articles you write or even personal habits? Does the large audience make you think on a large scale?

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  • Dylan April 1, 2016, 11:45 am

    MMM,

    My question is: How soon can I retire?

    My info:
    I’m 23 almost 24
    I make $24/hr
    I avg probably 55hrs per week Jan-March and avg maybe 42hrs per week the rest of the year.
    I do get OT pay.
    Rent is $1000 flat per month.
    I rarely eat out. I spend probably $20-30 on food per week.
    Work is about a 5 min drive from my apartment.
    I have about $10k left on my student loans.
    Am I missing any info?

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    • Matt April 1, 2016, 1:10 pm

      Here’s a super simple calculator you can use to get a pretty good estimate. Got the calculator from this very website, so it’s obviously MMM approved.

      http://networthify.com/calculator/earlyretirement

      Just fill in your info and KAPOW.

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  • Nadia April 1, 2016, 11:45 am

    Hi MMM,
    Are you aware of any international low cost index funds? I live in Australia for now although, financial circumstances permitting, I’d like to move to the United States soon. Betterment doesn’t service international investors. Is Vanguard my best bet, or where should I invest my money? Thank you!

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  • Liz April 1, 2016, 11:49 am

    How in the world do you pay so little in property taxes? Where do you live? I’m moving there! My property taxes in Seattle are over $6,000!! And it is not a big house, just under 1,800 sq feet. Thanks to our lovely mayor who thinks that Seattlelites should pay for every thing and everybody else’s transport, housing, etc on this side of the state. He’s added many hundreds onto our property taxes each year with levy’s and taxes (this doesn’t include the rate hikes due to the property values, this is in addition to that!). I’m lower middle class trying to hold on to this house until my kids graduate…as a divorced, single mom yet. He’s driving me nuts!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 11:55 am

      Hi Liz,

      I think Washington State has no state income tax, which seems to lead to much higher property taxes (at least if Florida and Texas are any guide). I live in Longmont, Colorado (aka ‘Stashtown USA) and we need more Mustachians here.

      http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2014/05/09/stashtown-usa/

      But my total tax bill would still be much lower in Seattle :-)

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    • Sean April 5, 2016, 3:21 pm

      Hi Liz,

      Mr. MM is right, the high property tax rate is due to the fact that we don’t have an income tax. Depending on what income you are making, it might be a negative for you to have the property taxes vs. income tax (see the linked article)
      http://kuow.org/post/just-how-heavy-seattles-tax-burden

      Also, for comparison, my wife and child live in a 900 sq. ft. townhouse, so 1800 sq. ft. (especially at seattle house prices) is fairly large.

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  • TypeIIFun April 1, 2016, 11:50 am

    I am reformed! After discovering this blog 4 months ago and having a come to Jesus about my insane consumerism ($100-300/month of needless clothes/fun things spending) I have cut that out and fight the amazon urge on the daily. I am cruising at a 40-45% savings rate (making 50k year**, single, renting) and would obviously like to bump that % up.

    The obvious black hole of spending in my life is my 2007 4-runner I love so much!* No car payments (I’m spoiled and it was a gift from the parents when I got a full ride to law school) but obviously a gas guzzler (19-20 mpg) and I spent $2000 in maintenance last summer. I bike to work 2/3 of the year (I’m in downtown Denver and biking in the dark in the winter is just too scary- I’m a girl and a pansy apparently). I only live 3.5 miles from work so the drive is short. But I drive to Silverthorne/Moab/Canyon City/Wyoming etc. almost every weekend to ski or climb. I built a bed in the back of the runner and it is my second home (don’t worry, I take the heavy ass bed out when I’m not going to use it). I actually need the 4 wheel drive almost every weekend. Can I feel better about myself since the size of my car allows me to sleep in it 2/7 nights of most weeks avoiding hotel costs/allowing me to winter camp and not die and I actually need the 4-wheel drive often? Do you have any creative solutions for me? Or a punch in the face?

    *I also spend $65/month on my climbing gym… I can’t find any alternative unlike traditional gym workouts that can be done at home.

    **Yeah, I’m a pretty low earning lawyer. Doing a judicial clerkship for 3 years and getting state employee wages. Experience is priceless?

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  • Kim April 1, 2016, 11:51 am

    Happy April Fools!
    I’ve been reading your blog for long enough to have not been fooled, thankfully. Since you are open to questions, have you ever thought about building in an online savings rate calculator/years to retirement output which would be in line with your article? I have done this calculation many times and am on target to “retire” soon, but am always nervous that I could have miscalculated or not considered something correctly.

    Thanks!

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  • Alicia April 1, 2016, 11:51 am

    I learned of your blog from the New Yorker article. Just wanted to say that I love your whole counter-cultural outlook. It’s inspiring and irreverent and great. I realized how attached I have become to having some role models in this area when I started to read this post. I thought.. wow .. 2 Teslas? well, they are electric I guess that’s ok ?? I didn’t get the joke until you described the house. Thank you for not moving over to the Dark Side. It’s really dark over there. Sincerely, a fan from Seattle with a lot of neighbors with Teslas.

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  • Adam April 1, 2016, 11:53 am

    Dude, how ‘d you end up spending a whopping $138/month on utilities? That’s way more than my family of 3 averages per month, and we don’t even have fancy-pants cellulose insulation, a post-2001 refrigerator, or an HVAC system with variable air flow. And here’s the kicker: we’re all electric ’round here! I mean, we don’t even have a heat pump water heater – just a regular tank.

    Our house is smaller than yours (1K square feet), but still. My highest utility bill last year was less than $115, and I was depressed about it for a week! Our rates are lowish: About $0.11 per Kwh. Maybe that’s the difference?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 2, 2016, 9:57 am

      Good call, Adam! My electric rate is about the same as yours and we use around 200 kWh/month. But my total includes water, sewer, trash, and other city fees like a flood rebuilding surcharge. The electricity is only about 1/6 of the total.

      You are probably still more efficient than us, though – as I always say, we’re a fancy high-income family, not all that frugal or efficient. It should be quite easy to beat us in any category.

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  • MrsPotato April 1, 2016, 11:55 am

    Hi Pete! Thanks for always sharing and providing invaluable insights! Your work is greatly appreciated. I have a question about cars (more so a rant) and I’m not car savvy at all. We have a 1996 Toyota Tercel that cost us CAD$2,000 in 2013. It has 197,000 km on it and seems to be in perfect condition. Now, my husband has an obsession with BMWs and will be purchasing a 1990 BMW E30 this weekend… from California… for USD$5,250!!! With the exchange rate, flight to CA from BC, and importation fees, etc, the car is coming up to CAD$8,900!!! I’m not at all impressed with this spending, and I’m sad that we’ll have to sell our beloved Tercel that has been good to me for the past 3 years. I don’t know anything at all about cars, but is this move in any way justifiable? I do most of the driving while my husband bikes to work, so I’m thinking of walking/bussing to work and leaving the car parked to ease my soul about this unnecessary spending. I tried biking before but it’s not for me (I know I sound like a complainypants but I’m terrified of the traffic downtown and would rather walk). So, is there any way at all to justify this move from a “manly, car savvy” perspective?

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  • Brian April 1, 2016, 11:56 am

    I know I haven’t fully grasped the MMM concept when I read the first few sentences of this post and thought it sounded reasonable. I’ve got one foot in each field right now… But my heart knows which one is truly greener!

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  • brad April 1, 2016, 12:01 pm

    I want a Tesla article. I just reserved a Model 3 and I think this is a frugal decision. With a car with 200k miles on it, I’m planning on running it into the ground, but I think the most it will get me is 2 years out when the Model 3 will ship. Yes, I could continue to purchase used gas guzzlers and save capital here but at some point there is a break even point with fuel. A $35k electric vehicle would be about an 8% ROI investment for me today. This could go up immensely with oil prices, and if this happens I think the demand for Teslas will be so high that the wait is much longer than 2 years. Everyone in the world is going to want a Model 3. They are a game changer. They aren’t going to depreciate like other cars either so we can’t just bank on buying them used for a fraction of their new price. Add to all of this the benefit of helping the planet and I think there’s a true case for a Model 3. Even Mustachians.

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  • Jae Burns April 1, 2016, 12:01 pm

    You mentioned using Uber to get to the airport, but I’m not sure where that would fit into your expenses. I was curious because it seems as though Uber could be more expensive than tolls. Am I wrong? Thanks!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 2, 2016, 9:55 am

      Hi Jae,

      For now, my Uber trips are almost free because my account is loaded with $30 credits from referring other people (and I only use Uber for airport trips).

      But even if I paid the full fare, it would be competitive with driving to the airport: tolls are only $15 return, but the cost of operating a car is much higher than just gas and tolls. Plus, parking at the airport is $8/day.

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  • Boulder3381 April 1, 2016, 12:01 pm

    Flavor of India is worth the $.

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  • Brett Bullman April 1, 2016, 12:02 pm

    Can you post the spreadsheet (sanitized of course) that you use? I’d like to adapt a copy of that for my family’s spending.

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  • Ben April 1, 2016, 12:02 pm

    Howdy MMM,

    I’ve just started reading this blog after seeing it being referenced in other sources… (And running out of current news/tips on other sites) and I’ve been working through the site from the beginning, I was curious on two points:

    1- Do you have specific articles on your type of meals with examples? (Unlike 1000 rocery bill with just gives general directions)
    2- Are there any options that are useful for someone who got a new car, with good mileage and the right size (Mazda 3 hatchback, as I’m in the military and have to often fill it to the brim), but now the resale value is hugely uninteresting to resale and get and older car that might have some problems.

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  • lori April 1, 2016, 12:04 pm

    I have a HELO coming due in a few months. 3.5% interest only. My husband and i were unemployed for 2 years and went through savings, , 401 K, and resorted to the HELO to exist. Just paid off our son’s very expensive private college loans, and paying down debt for (cancer) medical bills. Not too much left on the main mortgage. I inherited some very old stock, about 65,000 worth. The HELO is 69,000. My first instinct is to sell the stock (high producers), or should I try to refi the HELO? Advice greatly appreciated! Thank you, L

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  • Half Mustache April 1, 2016, 12:05 pm

    I started reading you a little over a year ago, but have never commented before. However, last night I paid off all of my student loans – $120k gone in less than seven years and $50k in the last year alone. I’m not sure I would have done that if I had never stumbled on this blog. I’d probably be sitting on that cash waiting to fund a down payment on a McMansion. So thanks for that. I’m still not a full Mustachian, but I’m trying.

    P.S. For heaven’s sake, even if you don’t have homeowners’ property coverage, get some liability insurance.

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  • Kermit April 1, 2016, 12:08 pm

    Hey Triple M,
    Long time reader, and I hardly every comment.
    I could use your ideas around our current situation. I’m sure you’ve seen a thousand + case studies, but this may resonate with a number of Dads.
    Current age 40
    Wife:40
    Current Salary – roughly 90k ( worked my way up form college at 25k)
    Wife has her own business that nets about 60k
    Two girls 9 and 6.
    105K in equity on a 230k house 125k on the loan
    Have about 65k cash (just cashed out stocks thinking I would pay down the house)
    190k in 401k/Pensions
    75k in Roth IRAs (Roughly 60k available for withdrawal tax free if needed due to contributions I’ve made over the years…) this could be used to pay off the house!
    I so desperately want to quit the rat race and spend time doing things I enjoy.
    I currently commute via bike to work everyday. My wife drives due to her business.
    No debt other than the house.
    We want to move out to your neck of the woods. CO Fort Collins area. Couple ideas we’ve been tossing around.
    1)Pay off the house in Iowa completely and rent it out via (Rental management company) We don’t want the headache of finding renters ect if we live in CO
    2) My wife continues her business but on a small scale (income around 40k)
    3) I quit corporate America and figure out how to make something I truly enjoy.
    4) Rent a house in CO until we figure out what neighborhood we want to live in.
    5) Our expenses are around 45k/ year with a mortgage.

    Biggest question, should we pay off the house in Iowa and rent it out? Could probably get about 1800/month but the property management is 180/month and our taxes suck 5400/yr!

    Is it crazy to just quit the rat race and figure it from there. Its soul crushing corporate America, but your kids are only young once and it would be great to spend tons of time with them.

    How does a Dad that is suppose to be a provider become okay with a decision to quit a good job, move to place the allow much more outdoor opportunities that we enjoy, be “okay” with a decision to leave the work force early.

    Lastly and thoughts on health insurance? I know you have a article or two on this, but a update would be great.

    Thank you for your time!

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  • Charlie April 1, 2016, 12:09 pm

    I like the idea of MMM, but with 2 kids (one a special needs child) and 2 working parents the non-covered medical/therapy along with childcare to make any headway.

    What are your suggestions for those of us that dealt the difficulties of healthcare and childcare costs?

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  • Andrea April 1, 2016, 12:13 pm

    Great blog! You have inspired me and my husband to think of saving as a game. How exactly do you track your spending? I definitely have no idea how to figure out where each one of my dollars is going. Thanks!

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  • Eric April 1, 2016, 12:14 pm

    Hi MMM,

    Been a reader since December, but first time commenting. I just have a couple of questions:

    I know you’ve talked about homeschooling some in the past, and I saw the comment above about how it’s going. What piqued my curiosity was seeing that you’re also still involved in the local public school. This is actually how my brothers and I went through K-12, but that wasn’t in Colorado and I was curious about how easy that is here? I’m a Boulderite with a 1 year old, so it’s not exactly in the near future, but both my wife and I are really interested in homeschooling in the future.

    The other question is, as a new-ish reader, I was wondering when/if there might be a Colorado meet-up in the future? I’d love to meet some other like-minded anti-consumerist (but not necessarily anti-capitalist) people!

    Thanks!
    Eric

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  • Mrs. CTC April 1, 2016, 12:15 pm

    Why did I fall for this? You had me breathing into a paper bag there for a minute…

    Glad to read you’re still badass :)

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  • Shannon April 1, 2016, 12:15 pm

    Hey MMM!
    Great April Fools! Question about biking with babies: we have a 6 month old and live bike-ably close to stores/the library/parks…but I’ve read that you can’t put them in a bike seat until 9 or 12 months. With Jr. MM, what did you guys do? Now that it’s getting warmer out, I’m itching to take the little guy out more!

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  • Sue Kooky April 1, 2016, 12:16 pm

    Great article! What are some ways for a minor to earn money? I have a snow shoveling buissness, but Global Warming and Climate Change make it so there are only two good snowstorms a year. :(

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 2, 2016, 9:44 am

      Hi Sue,

      How about landscaping? That seems to be a big business around here, and you can start small. If you absorb a few books and videos on the subject of plants and design principles, I have a feeling many of your neighbors would be pretty happy to hire a younger designer/builder for their garden projects.

      Maybe start with a really gorgeous demo transformation of your parents’ front yard, including paths, gardens, and lighting. Once it looks amazing, put up a sign for free advertising. Watch the customers roll in! Then hire your friends as you grow – you might end up employing the whole high school.

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    • Embok April 4, 2016, 1:13 am

      Start a landscape maintenance business: lawn mowing, raking leaves, weeding, trimming hedges and roses, etc.

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  • frank April 1, 2016, 12:16 pm

    $265k spend.. I knew it.. Engineers that simply can’t put the decimal point in the right place.. $26k a year spend my a**…;).. Oh well back to planning our frugal 7 week vacation to the Far East cus we’re retired now.. Hah!

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  • Mark April 1, 2016, 12:18 pm

    HUH, only when I came to the Tesla part I realized the date. . .

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  • Nick April 1, 2016, 12:21 pm

    I do have a question about budgeting. I budget monthly things such as car replacement, car maintenance, house reno’s, vacation

    Now I drive a 12+ year old car that I fix myself (and yes I bike tons it barely moves) but I understand I will eventually need to replace the car, so the goal is to save the money now instead of having a large-ish purchase without planning. Same goes for reno’s (i.e. we redid the kitchen ourselves last summer, but we saved X monthly to achieve it).

    These budget items make my monthly budget relatively large. I notice that you don’t seem to budget for these items? How do you handle these purchases?

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  • KT April 1, 2016, 12:22 pm

    Thanks for the web site. I am naturally a stoic and budget conscious but your articles helped me tap into that much more. I particularly enjoy the articles detailing how much fear costs us per year. I hope you can continue to expand the blog frequently even though most of what we need is already here. I am trying to figure out the best way to get a family of 5 up into the mountains (2-3 hours) for camping trips this summer. They are too wimpy to just backpack camp, so we travel with a family tent, cooler, sleeping pads, sleeping bags, small stove, and way too many clothes. Our one vehicle is a 2008 Impreza (yes, yes, I need to change it out for a lower MPG option, but at only 6000 miles per year not a priority). Last year I spent a couple hundred bucks renting a super crew gas guzzler, wondering if there is a better option.

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  • Amgad April 1, 2016, 12:22 pm

    You made me panic for few minutes until you revealed the joke! I am glad the unsubscribe button was not at the top of the page, I am a regular reader and I love validating the way I live by reading your blog on regular basis, i drive my 2002 manual civic with 207 K miles, I own several rental properties in addition to my professional career 9-5 job.
    Keep it up, happy April fools day

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  • Laura April 1, 2016, 12:25 pm

    You and your website have been a HUGE inspiration to my crazy husband and I as we’ve carved out our own journey towards simplicity and a more meaningful, value-directed life. Thank you!!

    I tend to be rather gullible and had forgotten it was April Fool’s day so read through a lot of this with my hand clasped over my mouth! HAHA! Well done.

    As part of our pursuit of simplicity and value-directed lifestyle, we’ve gone and started a band from the ground up. Some might think it’s crazy do follow your dreams starting in your mid-thirties when you have a young family, but we have been doing it! There’s nothing more amazing and satisfying. So THANKS for all the inspiration! We may need to glean some marketing strategies off you sometime…. Hahaha!

    (We’re “The Kwerks”, in case you’re interested. http://www.thekwerks.com)

    Laura

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  • danny April 1, 2016, 12:29 pm

    So I have been following you for a year or so, but never commented on this blog before. I appreciate the wittiness and lighthearted humor however I have always wondered one thing. You joked about buying your brother a fridge and how much he enjoyed using it, and I have been curious for the time I have been following you why there has not been many articles on donations or charitable/ philanthropist en devours. By no means do I mean for this to come off as me telling you how you should spend your money or saying that you should give more, but I have found great joy in giving over the years and was curious if you are involved in any giving organizations or have future plans for giving. I think the situation of the fridge could actually be real thousands of times over. For example my wife and I when first married were given a bed and washer and dryer from a couple that had enough that they would never miss it, but to us it meant the world. With you being able to keep such a cheap and luxurious life style do you plan on giving it away at some point in time. If your spending continues the same and you want your child’s to stay the same at what point is the money just sitting in the bank hiding from hundreds if not thousands of people that could truly benefit from a jump start. Again I am not trying to say you are not a giving or charitable person, I actually think through this blog you have helped thousands including myself. I am just more curious about your opinions of increasing generosity and giving as you become more and more wealthy. My wife an I are constantly using this as motivation to try and save more to one day be able to turn around and see money really work for good. Thanks MMM I love reading the blog. I am curious what other people think as well about increasing generosity as wealth goes up.

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  • CanIndian April 1, 2016, 12:31 pm

    Long time lurker and first time commenter.

    Well played there MMM, though I would agree with other commenters that you April 1st article on SUVs from a few years back had a much bigger shock effect and easily fooled us newbies than this one.

    I moved to your birth country, Canada, as my name indicates, and have 2 very young kids. I am working on an aggressive FIRE plan (well aggressive for me, but may be too conservative for you and other forum members) and home schooling and biking around the world covers a majority of the post FIRE plan.

    My question for you is on Home Schooling. I see the detailed expense chart and see your mention of “Mixture of homeschooling and neighborhood public school”. How much of a dependency do you have on the “neighborhood public school”?? Would that be a limiting factor for someone looking to roam around the world post fire? Have you seen the dependency on neighborhood school curtailing your freedom in anyway from your home schooling experience?
    On a side note, is there a more detailed article in the works on homeschooling?

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  • Fiby April 1, 2016, 12:36 pm

    What happened to your Internet spending?

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  • Dave Heinrich April 1, 2016, 12:38 pm

    One thing I haven’t seen really discussed anywhere is how you handle recreation and extra-curricular activities with your son. We’ve got two kids (8 and 6), and I think we’ve done a good job of keeping these activities in check, but we do still have some and their monthly fees. Our daughter takes piano and our son is in a hip-hop class. I’m wondering how you’ve handled these discussions with your son. We certainly don’t push our kids to get involved in all sorts of groups, but they do find things they are interested in every once in a while (our son is currently pushing to do gymnastics).

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 1:04 pm

      Hey Dave, that’s a good question because it gets at the issue of frugal vs. cheap.

      I would definitely support any activities my kid(s) wanted to do, as long as I could afford them and they were within a reasonable distance of home.

      If there were constraints I would not be shy about telling them that we could afford x but not y this year, so choose one. There’s no shame in teaching about the idea that things cost money, and money is finite.

      The only reason my report shows very few paid activities is that we all really prefer to set our own schedules around here. If little MM is at a birthday party having fun running wild with the other kids, and an adult shows up and starts trying to get everyone to line up and do some formal contests against each other, he immediately disappears from the scene.

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  • Coral April 1, 2016, 12:42 pm

    Very amusing post =) I’m glad it turned into something real at the end there, though!

    I’ve been reading your blog for (what feels like) ages now, and I love a lot of your ideas. Maybe this is just a part of my life where I’m not awesome enough yet, but I just can’t picture myself giving up my car. I have a 2010 Toyota Yaris, which I started financing before I really paid any attention to what finance even was. At this point, though, if I keep making a-bit-more-than-what’s-due payments every month, I’ll own it outright in just over a year. I live close enough to work that I walk or take public transportation most days (I also usually walk to the grocery store and for most small errands) but I really like having my car around for those occasions when I need to bring /stuff/ with me somewhere, to offer someone a ride to wherever they need to go, or to visit my family (about a 5-6 hour drive away, which I like to make at least every few months).

    Basically, what I want to ask is, am I crazy? Especially since I don’t use it every day, am I being wasteful and selfish by keeping this car? And, do you have any suggestions for middle-ground options where I could be more Mustachian in my car ownership/use without completely switching over to the bike lifestyle?

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    • Eliza April 1, 2016, 8:18 pm

      Not MMM (obviously), but I would seriously look into getting rid of the car.

      If you are in a place where you can commute to work and run routine errands (grocery store, drug store, etc) without a car — go CAR FREE. I currently live in DC in a similar situation to you and love being car free. It saves me so much money.

      When I want to visit my family (6 hours away, I try to go every other month), I rent a car. I’ve learned how to work the car rental game (autoslash.com for tracking after booking is one key) and can often get a car for a long weekend for ~$50-75.

      Paying for rentals when I need them and the occasional Uber when needed saves me significant money (depreciation, gas, insurance, parking) and hassle (parking, maintenance, being stuck in traffic and not being able to just read my book and ignore it) over owning a car.

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  • PoF April 1, 2016, 12:46 pm

    Justin @ RootofGood got a job and eats cat food, the Financial Samurai quit the blog, and you spent like some fancy doctor! What is the blogosphere coming to?!?

    I’m super impressed that your expenses haven’t changed in spite of the waterfall of cash flowing your way. I’d love to see a breakdown of the expenses, donations, taxes paid, etc… from the business side of your life.

    Cheers!
    -PoF

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  • Rachel April 1, 2016, 12:48 pm

    I noticed you are self insuring your house and assume you did your own cost-benefit analysis before you decided to do that, like any good engineer/stats enthusiast would. Please settle a debate between my husband and I. He loves your blog and will do anything you suggest. (If you take his side, I promise I will surrender.) Home fire extinguishers: Worth the $20 investment or not? Thanks!

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  • Lucas April 1, 2016, 12:52 pm

    Wow, no homeowner’s insurance? I figure the cost of shifting this risk elsewhere was very low. I lack the handyman skills to make my own repairs, so to each is own I guess.

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  • BradassMuthaFatha April 1, 2016, 12:54 pm

    Facial recognition software would’ve had a field day watching my reactions as I read this article. You got me good, Mr. MM.

    As a recent convert to Mustachianism (this is my first comment or post), I’ve been making some big adjustments to my life to reflect the principles detailed on this blog. I wanted to share what I’ve been up to so far:

    Bike: I bought a road bike! As this is my first attempt at biking, I decided to start basic and bought the 21″ Flat Bar Road Bike from Nashbar (on sale for $279). It’s a great looking bike. The first day of riding was a transcendent experience…and all from simply riding around my neighborhood! I rode for more than an hour and a half and didn’t want to stop when the sun went down. It truly was a mountaintop experience (even though we don’t have any in Arlington, TX). Riding around, I was able to explore my local community in a way I never had before. I even found a couple of more efficient routes (shortcuts) to the major roads in the area. Look out world!

    Phone: I reduced my monthly phone bill ($98 to $35) by paying off the balance on my iPhone 6 and switching carriers. I looked into both Google Fi and RW, but ultimately chose Cricket Wireless. Google Fi looks especially appealing, but I’m not ready to give up my iPhone just yet.

    Car: In May of 2015, fresh off of getting rejected by this girl I was interested in, I decided that the problem must be my car: a bright red (not a good thing imo), fully paid off (a good thing imo) 2007 Chevy Cobalt (meh). After some “research”, I set my sites on getting 2-3 year old Honda Accord, a reliable vehicle that would “hold its value”. However, at the stealership, I was overwhelmed by the new car smells and amazing features and ended up driving off in a brand new fancypants Honda Accord LX Coupe, for the fancypants price of $28k (including a $2.5k maintenance policy). God, was I dumb.
    Other than the outrageous sum I traded for it, there’s nothing wrong with the car. In fact, I love it. It looks great, drives great, and feels great. I’ve gotten so many compliments on how awesome I am for “owning” it. But as part of my newfound ‘stache-lightenment, I have decided to get rid of it. On the plus side, I have been making large payments each month to knock down what I owe (currently a little over $10k left). I’m hoping to be able to sell it for $18-19k, pay off the car loan, then use the difference to do what I should’ve done last year: buy a used vehicle for way less. I’ve been scouring Craigslist each day, as well as some used car sites (I would recommend cargurus.com). I really like the Honda Fit, Toyota Prius or Yaris, and Suzuki SX4.

    Savings Rate: I imported last year’s YNAB spending data into Excel, where I could do my own calculations, including savings rate. Last year (2015), my savings rate was a paltry 26.76%. In addition, I’ve made a projected income statement for 2016 that ups my savings rate to 65%. Some of the highlights include getting rid of the car payment, reducing eating out / entertainment expenses, and getting a substantial raise (30%) at work. I plan on using my newly freed up “employees” to max out my retirement accounts, as well as put together a down payment for a house in a year or so.

    Attitude: This is the biggest change of them all. Like a lot of readers of this blog, I had fallen into the trap of thinking that I was a frugal, content human being. Upon further inspection, I realized that I wasn’t. With a ton of help from the MMM community, I feel like that I am now on the FIRE path.

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