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Money Has Made Me Weak: MMM Family Spending Rises to $256,000

Money Mustache - Be Gone.

Money Mustache – Be Gone.  (photo credit: The Man who Gets His Cars for Free)

In my opinion, the first rule of being a reasonable person is admitting when you are wrong, so you can learn from it. So I want to admit something right now: I was wrong about spending money.

Remember how all this time I’ve been telling you that life is better if you aren’t focused on the pursuit of luxury? Yeah, well that turned out to be bullshit.

It was just a way of me trying to fool myself into believing I could be happy spending less money. Because I didn’t really have any other option at the time. Now that the money has started rolling in, I realize that the other rich people weren’t so dumb after all.

See, without really planning or deserving it, I stumbled into a goldmine by starting this website. It has become a truly once-in-a-hundred-lifetimes situation, with over 18 million people stopping by so far and hundreds crawling around at any given moment. With this level of traffic, even the minimal level of advertising you see at the bottom is enough to make freight trains of cash. More than enough money every month, for a family to live extremely well on for a year.

The pressure of all this money gradually overwhelmed me. It started with just tossing a $7.00 chunk of imported Gouda cheese into the shopping cart every now and then. I started throwing in a 12-pack of craft beer even when they were priced at 18 bucks, and sharing them freely with friends on the back patio. Then I bought my brother’s family a nice new fridge, because it was his birthday and they really needed one to complement their excellent cooking skills. I didn’t even notice the loss of that $1500 for a second. It makes me feel good every time I visit and see them putting it to good use.

So this made me realize, hey, even leasing a top-of-the-line Tesla Model S P90D at $1400/month would be just an imperceptible nibble out this incredible torrent of money. And I like fast cars. Especially when they are built on revolutionary technology that will change the world as we know it. It seemed worthwhile to at least try owning one to see if it would actually make my life happier. And it did.

Mrs. Money Mustache was not a car person at all, until she set the vehicle to “Ludicrous mode” and hit 60 MPH in 2.8 seconds. Now we have his and her Teslas.

his-and-hers

Mine’s the red one.

I had been living in a 1532 square foot house with no garage, constantly moving things out of the way so I could get to other things. The place was too small. Why live this way? I could afford a bigger house. In Cash. Every year! 

So we bought one – a nice 8200 square foot place just a couple miles away. You can still get a lot of house here in Longmont for $1.8 million, and with the interest rates so low, the mortgage payment on this place is only $8,500 per month. That’s a lot of money for a normal person, but again, at this new higher level it amounts to a few hours of work. Why the hell not?

newhouse

Home Sweet Home

Now the three of us finally have room to stretch out. To host family and friends in style. To do our own stuff without getting in each other’s hair.

I think I have finally absorbed the message of the many successful people that have stopped by to educate me in the comments sections of every newspaper I’ve had the good fortune of interviewing with over the years: My money is my own. I earned it, I deserve it, and it’s nobody’s business how I spend it.

After just a few more changes including some help with the house cleaning and gardens, private school for little MM, food delivery and better restaurants (turns out we don’t really like cooking after all), I found that our annual budget had swelled a little. We went from about $25,000 to $256,000.

Even after this adjustment, we’re still saving plenty, so where’s the problem? And we are much happier for the change. 

Frugality is fine – I’ve still got plenty of tightwad cred with my programmable thermostat, a hole in my favorite sweater and duct tape patches on some of my winter gear.  But no more of this extreme frugality like the old Mr. Money Mustache. That’s for poor people.

Oh, and April Fools, obviously.

The Real 2015 MMM Family Spending Report!

In real life, this is the extent of my fanciness. A pretty fine kitchen and I even upgraded my frying pan and spatula this year.

In real life, this is the extent of my fanciness. No McMansions, but still a pretty fine mostly-complete kitchen if I can flatter my own DIY skills a little. And I even upgraded my frying pan and spatula this year.

The part about the excessive income is real*. But I only mention it to show other wealthy people that we don’t live this slightly-less-ridiculous-than-average lifestyle because it’s all we can afford. We just live the best life we can dream up given our current level of skill, and this is what it happens to cost.

Our total 2015 Actual Spending was $23,941.44 according to the spreadsheet. While most humans that have ever lived since the invention of currency would find this to be an insanely high amount to work with, it can be a surprise to some of my fellow one-percenter Americans. So here are a few mental adjustments to keep in mind:

  • We own our house with no mortgage. If you were to finance a place like this, the monthly payment would be at least $1700/month. So you’d add $20k if comparing to a mortgaged life.
  • It doesn’t include income taxes. If you live at this level of spending and set your income level (from investments) to match it closely, you’ll pay no income tax. If you’re still earning and saving, you do need to pay the tax. In 2015, because of these unexpected earnings, I paid several times more in income tax than we spent on our entire lifestyle. But the amount of tax depends entirely on how much you earn, which is why I don’t count it as part of spending.
  • This is only the spending, not the saving that any non-retired person should be doing. Even if you only max out an IRA, that’s another $5500. Hopefully much higher though : employer 401(k)s let you contribute $18,000 these days.

So all told, we consume at an equivalent rate to a fairly financially irresponsible family with an  income of $62,000 per year. That is, if a family of three earned $62k, paid tax, foolishly took out a mortgage on a $400,000 house, and saved just a tiny bit into the 401(k), they’d run out of money at roughly this level of spending.

Exploring Arches National Park with my little buddy during a camping trip there, April 2015

Exploring Arches National Park with my little buddy during a camping trip there, April 2015

If they commuted to work in large cars like most people do, add another $15,000 or so. With just a few other nudges towards “normal” (cable TV or a taste for Starbucks or fancy shoes, for example) a lifestyle no more noticeably fancy than my own would consume an entire $100,000 salary very easily. So it’s not really an ultra-frugal life. Just a somewhat optimized version of an upper-middle-class life.

And here’s where it all went:

Category20142015Comments
Mortgage Interest00
Property Taxes2,1201411We downsized houses in mid-2014. 2015 was the first full year of enjoying the new lower tax rate.
Food and Dining7,1097,400
   Groceries   6,593   6,232See article: Killing your $1000 Grocery Bill
   Wine/Beer   322   627This includes parties, I don't drink this much myself!
   Restaurants, Coffee Shop   194   541Our major indulgence increase this year. Longmont's "Flavor of India" and "Sushi Hana" are the chief beneficiaries of this spending.
Healthcare4,2683,733
   Doctor Visits   484   0A thankfully healthy year for all
   Health Insurance   3,272   3,000For 2016 this will be double due to a new health insurance plan. (A downside of the ACA for those with very high incomes)
   Dentist   512   256
   Pharmacy   n/a   42
   Physical Therapy   435Mrs. MM was recovering from a nagging case of "frozen shoulder" this year.
Auto and Transport490945
   Gasoline   71   332Includes two trips to Utah in my gas-guzzling van: one for the annual "Safety Pirates" snowboarding trip, one for camping with the family and some friends.
   Insurance   347   357Fantastically cheap thanks to Geico
   Registration & Testing   72   1692005 Scion xA and 1999 Honda Odyssey
   Express Tolls   0   0Started taking Uber to the airport instead of driving
   Service & Parts   n/a   88Wiper blades, brake shoes, and oil change supplies
   Public Transportation   0   0Nothing against the bus, Bikes are just faster
Utilities1,6141652Electricity, Gas (heating, cooking), trash/recycling, city park fees, etc.
Cell Phone300539Google Fi and Republic Wireless
Internet Access360692Damn that is expensive.
Home429<120>
   Home Renovations   19120Curtains and some paint. Does not include $10k of materials used in actually finishing the build-out of this house, since we're still running a profit due to the 2014 downsizing.
   Home Insurance   4100I am self-insured for now, since the cost (and extremely low probability) of replacing the house would not be a significant burden.
   Landscaping/Plants   0I did plant a remarkably successful tomato plant this year - probably got $100 of kickass tomatoes off of that thing.
Gifts/Donations1,1551,747Mostly school/family gifts. Does not include donations made by the business.
Crossfit/Yoga330230Mrs. MM switched to Yoga (social event with friends) and working out at home for this year.
School Tuition00Mixture of homeschooling and neighborhood public school
Misc2,0983095
   Shoes & Clothing   492   754Both boy and lady got some fancy new winter gear this year.
   Sporting Goods   76   0
   Shopping Misc   654   1,274Storage baskets, insoles, compost bin, terrarium, suitcases, computer stuff, bike parts, household items, microwave, ottomans, coffee grinder, axe, frying pan, cheese grater
   Books, games, gifts   61   488Includes several thousand Magic the Gathering Cards
   Other   815   580Monthly Netflix, Movies Out, Bike Parts
Travel5,0572,376Flights to Canada in Summer, Estes Park VRBO house rental with inlaws in fall
TOTAL25,33023,941Hey, looks like it actually went down this year.
   Subtracting Tuition, Donations   24,17522,194
   Subtracting travel, crossfit   18,78819,588
   Subtracting organic/luxury food   16,44217,531Assuming a 33% increase on groceries due to organic + meat.
   Subtracting home renovation expense16,42317,411This is what our "no frills" living cost would be, unless we moved to a smaller house (Note: Misc category could be cut down a lot as well)

And so it goes – the years turn by and our spending barely changes. Someday there will be more exciting surprises in this report, but for now life remains happy without becoming more expensive.

Ask Me Anything!

I usually don’t intrude too much in the comments section, but since there are a bunch of new people here these days I originally put up an open invitation here for any and all questions.

It was overwhelming but fun – I spent the entire April 1st furiously typing and clicking on the computer to answer questions. Maybe hundreds of them – I didn’t even keep track. All I know is that I have a very sore neck and a flabby midsection from spending almost the whole day indoors today. So I have to sign off – sorry I didn’t get time to answer all of them. Tomorrow calls for beautiful weather so I’m getting back out there.

You can read the results in the comments below.  I hope some of it is useful to you!

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How to track your spending: We do almost all spending using a good cash-back credit card, and let the Personal Capital and Mint apps automatically categorize everything and display it in pretty pie charts and percentages for us. As a non-budget person, I find this method of tracking to be revolutionary, as it happens even when you are busy living life and forgetting about money. If you prefer to work within the more disciplined framework of a budget, take a test drive of You Need a Budget. Used by a surprisingly large number of Mustachians, which is how I heard about it in the first place.

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* So what will I do with so much extra cash? Why do I bother continuing to make any money if I don’t need it for myself? Many people ask this. The answer in my case is to continue to live roughly at this level of consumption, lead a secure and generous life, and reinvest the rest back into society, both through traditional charity and interesting projects made possible by the reach of this website (renewable energy, advocating bikes, making better cities, etc).

 

 

  • Jamie April 1, 2016, 12:58 pm

    Hey MMM,

    I noticed you listed bike parts under “other” as well as “shopping misc.”
    You can hire me as an editor. ;)

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  • sovay806 April 1, 2016, 12:59 pm

    Hey Mr. MM! Thanks so much for the blog. I’m impressed by how you track all of your spending. Obviously, the less spending you have the easier it might be to keep track of it… but I was wondering if you could give a run down of how you do keep track of everything. Spreadsheets? Constant receipt saving? Seems incredibly tedious to me, personally, but maybe I could get in the groove once I got a good system in place.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 2, 2016, 9:38 am

      Hi Sovay,

      No receipts, no manual anything – everything goes on a credit card and gets automatically added up by software. I should add a note about that to the article as I have in past years.

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  • Jeffrey April 1, 2016, 1:00 pm

    Hey MMM,

    I actually work for Tesla out at the new Gigafactory in Reno,NV……We had the grand unveiling here last night and no i did not place a deposit…however my buddy did…my problem is that I commute 65 miles each way in my trusty Subaru Impreza which is paid off. All the miles is killing her and dampening my mood going there and home…I live in Minden ,NV and have some opportunities there for much less than the 60k I make now….I guess its a cost vs quality of life question huh???

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 2, 2016, 9:37 am

      Hey Jefferey, I totally agree: think of the commute as not even being an option. You either move as close as possible to the Gigafactory (lots of good employment in Reno as that company and others grow). Or get a job near home.

      Both home and job are easily changeable at any time. You can even rent out your current house and rent a place near work if you’re not ready to fully commit. Hell, even living in an RV in the Gigafactory parking lot is better than a 120 mile daily commute!

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  • Cheryl April 1, 2016, 1:04 pm

    Hi! Love love love your blog (I read almost every post from the beginning over the past 3 weeks). My question is whether you would be willing to do a case study of my situation. My status is different from most of your followers since I am 62 years old (too late to retire early) but want to retire soon and do it right. I would be happy to get all my “stats” together and get your advice on how to optimize my spending/saving/investing to achieve financial independence. Thanks and good luck to you!!

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    • Pat April 3, 2016, 8:31 am

      Try “Ask a Mustachian” on the forums. You will get lots of good feedback.

      Reply
  • CDubs April 1, 2016, 1:05 pm

    Hey MMM, I’m hoping to start using a bike for shorter trips around town but I’m totally new to biking and I don’t have a lot of money to put in just yet. What are some good resources for used bikes (in DC, MD area)? And what the heck kind of bike am I looking for anyway? Thanks!

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  • MIke April 1, 2016, 1:06 pm

    You had me!

    I can’t help but see the internet expense and have the same feeling as you…so expensive.

    I’ve been thinking how to reduce this – I have had luck calling Charter and threatening to cancel and them giving me the new customer rate (about 50% less in our area than normal rate)…something for folks to consider…lowered our bills a lot.

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  • G-Dub April 1, 2016, 1:21 pm

    MMM,
    Love the blog! Can you please post some affiliate links to or expound upon your choices of spatula, tomato plant and those back splash tiles in your kitchen? Also, do you have a spreadsheet template that is good for tracking spending? Can’t remember seeing one on here. G-Dub

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  • Jeff April 1, 2016, 1:24 pm

    The kitchen looks nice! Not sure if you are waiting until your home is completely finished, but I have been really looking forward to photos and details on the construction process, materials selection, and cost.

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  • Tuan April 1, 2016, 1:33 pm

    I lost all hope until the “April’s Fool” sentence. That is how much I trust MMM.
    It’s all good now :)

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  • Jeffrey W April 1, 2016, 1:35 pm

    Hey MMM, appreciate the blog posts like always, even if they are trying to induce heart attacks in those of us with heart conditions :)

    I have noticed you mention a couple times that you go and play frisbee with little MM at the park and I’m curious if you have ever heard of ultimate frisbee and thought about introducing little MM to that community? I know Colorado has quite an ultimate scene and I can say from my personal experience that the ultimate community is rather Mustachian in their ways. Nothing better than a weekend playing sports, doing a little drinking, camping outdoors and meeting new people from across the country.

    Thanks for the great content and transparency like always!

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  • SouthernStasj April 1, 2016, 1:36 pm

    MMM,

    I love that you are doing a Q&A! Cant tell you how valuable this blog has been to me. I am a CPA professional in the SE US. I wanted to give you a shout out for your article on the tax efficiency of an S-Corp and using the services of CPA!

    As a CPA though i want to spill a secret that I feel is in the best interest of the public. I agree that business taxation can get complicated-fast and the use of a professional can save you piles of cash. Unless you own a business however, and or do not itemize (if you dont own a house, give substantial amoutn to charity this is you- hello millenials), you CAN and SHOULD learn to do your own taxes for free! (in the US, through the IRS website). My grandfather is 96, not an accoutant and he has done it all his life……It will not take you more than an hour to learn and do even if you have no idea where to start.

    Common tax software companies charge over $100 for the most simple returns ($300+ for a CPA)! its ridiculous

    I feel it is my civic duty to save my fellow mustachians a pretty penny-this is a task that will pay you big bucks ( and possibly a few trees worth of paper) over a lifetime ($100+ a year, compounded you know the drill)

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  • Steve April 1, 2016, 1:36 pm

    Hi MMM!

    First time commenting – long time fan.

    I’m a 29-year old with a goal of reaching FI by 40 (or earlier!?). This website was one of the biggest reasons I began focusing on growing my ‘stache about a year ago! I currently have about $35,000 in savings. $25,000 is in an employer 401(k) (they match my contributions up to 5%) and about $10,000 is in a Roth IRA through Betterment. I have no other money saved besides those two accounts but I also do not have any debt (car, tuition, etc… are all paid off). I know $34k is not the greatest start, but a large portion of that sum has been deposited over the last 14 months – which I am very proud of. I am currently making $47,500 a year at my full-time job. Any suggestions on how to maximize the probability of me reaching my FI goal?

    Thank you for any suggestions and congratulations on all of your financial success!

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  • Heather April 1, 2016, 1:39 pm

    OMG. I’m embarrassed to say you got me for a minute. I’m too old to be this gullible.

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  • John April 1, 2016, 1:50 pm

    Hi MMM. Don’t you dare shave off the money mustache! I made a major lifestyle change since I’ve started reading your blog and hope to reach financial independence in my early 30s. The path I chose includes rental real estate and I bought my first duplex and just handed over the keys to a new tenant! I did the math and I felt that the time to reach FI through the typical “save a bunch of money and live off of 4% of it” was still too long for my still early mechanical engineering career. My plan now is technically cheating at FI but I will have several real estate properties and be the landlord of them all, generating a good return on investment for modest work. I’ve even enticed my Dad to go on his own path of reduced spending and increased earnings / savings. That’s probably the best side affect of this whole journey is seeing him go from having to retire at 65 to now planning to retire around 55. Just wanted to share part of my story and thank you for your inspiration of living big but spending little.

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  • Dorothy April 1, 2016, 1:50 pm

    If you were serious about having a hole in your favorite sweater, you should think about darning it. Check out Tom of Holland’s visible repair project for some non traditional ideas, or Youtube for more subtle effects. Much better to make do and mend.

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  • Ike April 1, 2016, 1:52 pm

    Reading and changing the world $1 at a time! Not to your level, but I can and do buy small houses for about $10 – 15K about every six months, fix them up and rent them out. I do not usually put in much more than half of what I buy them for and I rent them out for the market rate. My question is, there are times, like now, that I just feel lazy and not wanting to do anything. Do you ever get like this? If so, is there a way to stop the laziness from creeping in?

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  • Stuart April 1, 2016, 1:53 pm

    Hey MMM,

    Another great article. One thing that strikes me as a reader from your home country is that things are a lot cheaper in the US. In comparing my own frugal finances to your, I’m noticing substantial differences in all kinds of goods and services. Are things THAT much cheaper in the US?

    Will you ever consider running more reader case-studies?

    Keep up the great work!

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  • Dede April 1, 2016, 1:53 pm

    Ha! That’s rich :)

    I’ve read a ton of the posts on this site but I still have a few questions related to investment allocation (thanks for your patience – this is still a whole new world to me)

    I just set up a Vanguard account and maxed out Roth IRA contributions for 2015 & 2016. Should I pick a Target Retirement Fund or simply put all of that IRA money into one of the total market index funds you have spoken so much about?

    As far as investing in the market outside of an IRA – should I make dollar-cost averaging investments into the same total market index fund?

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  • Katie April 1, 2016, 1:53 pm

    Hi MMM,

    Thanks for another very excellent April Fool’s.

    If you’re really up for questions, I’m stuck at the following fork in the road:

    I’m an environmental consultant and love my job to pieces. It’s thrilling and even when I’m super busy, I’m still quite satisfied. The money is great for my what I do- 53K/year. However, I’ve been farmed out this past year to work as a contractor to the Government in an office with lots of complainypants people and tape of the red variety. This temporary situation has been quite disappointing, and I’m looking forward to the end of my tenure and going back to the job I really love, running around in the woods and working efficiently and writing environmental reports and feeling like mine is the best job in the world.

    But … now a position in the Government office is open and I’ve been asked to apply by my supervisors here. The starting salary is 77,400/year.

    I keep asking myself, “WWMMMD?” but arrive to no easy solution. Make the best of it during the week and swim in a pool of one dollar bills on the weekend, or thoroughly enjoy my job and grit my teeth and ignore the extra ~25K/year I’d lose (maybe 16 after taxes?) over the next maybe 5-10 years until I’m actually earning that much in my consultant job?

    You rock, and thanks for all the wonderful, wonderful posts. Keep it up.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 6:10 pm

      Thanks Katie! I’m a big fan of prioritizing enjoyable work above all else, so I would probably run around in the woods unless there was a way to make the office job almost as fun.

      You can always find ways to make more money outside of the traditional job. In fact, if your spirit is lighter from the happier work environment, everything tends to work out more profitably in the long run.

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      • Katie April 2, 2016, 5:45 am

        Thanks for the thoughts. I like this marathon you’re running here for your readers. Hope you spend today outside to make up for it. :-)

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  • Stacy in Reno April 1, 2016, 1:58 pm

    I am on the cusp of starting a non-retirement investment account, but I have great angst about the ethical implications of most index funds. The environment and animal rights are chief amongst my priorities, but I’ve been a bit overwhelmed in the search process for something that is both responsible and profitable. Do you have any recommendations?

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  • London Rob April 1, 2016, 2:00 pm

    Great amusing read, but somehow I couldnt see you changing as your life seems pretty perfect! The most humbling part for me to read was your alcohol budget.. you spent as much per year as I spend per month… oooops! :)

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 6:07 pm

      Ahh, sorry to hear that Rob, but I imagine we’d have a good evening if we hung out together!

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  • bubbly sunshine April 1, 2016, 2:02 pm

    Hi MMM,

    Oh, you almost had me in tears when the email came in. I was crestfallen, but kept reading, hoping, just hoping that something was wrong — AND I’d already seen someone bring “Donuts” to the office (open the box to carrots, tomatoes, broccoli and dressing! ha) Thank you for not selling out!!

    I’m hoping to come to the meet up in Manhattan Beach next week.

    I am probably not fairly typical of your readers, but it can be so difficult for me to make all the changes I wish to/want to, make to the more frugal lifestyle (mine isn’t extravagant by most means) and reading your posts is like a warm cup of tea sitting in a comfy chair with sunshine and birds chirping in the background!! :-)

    I worked various jobs when I was younger, not really falling into a career until my early 30’s. I’ve never had great amounts of money and never great amounts of debt either, yet I’ve travelled a bit and had some fun. That said, I am a single parent in an expensive city planning to retire in a couple of years. I seemingly haphazardly go back and forth from low to high consumption and spending kicking myself all the while.

    I save a fair bit and blessedly have a pension with an additional annuity as well as invest small amounts in a deferred compensation account. That said, I recently purchased an additional used vehicle so now we have two, I have other debt and ACK —

    How do you really start?
    How do you go beyond beliefs and cut the cord to create the space to live the dream?

    thanks
    <3

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  • Jake F. April 1, 2016, 2:02 pm

    Hi MMM,

    My lottery habit finally paid off! Should I play it safe and invest the $8,000 into a CD, or should I be aggressive and reinvest in lotto tickets? Are the odds better if I buy them all at once, or spread out my ticket purchases over time?

    Also, my lease is up on my F150. When I upgrade to the F350, should I get a bigger trailer to make up for the smaller cabin space, or can I get away with the more mustachian option of just attaching a large Thule to the roof? I don’t really like hauling my suitcases in the open bed when I’m road-tripping, and my Saint Bernards slobber on them if they are in the cabin.

    Much obliged,
    April F.

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  • Christine April 1, 2016, 2:07 pm

    I was definitely fooled. even though you pull this every year. haha A little part of me died when I was reading it.

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  • Kris Porter April 1, 2016, 2:11 pm

    Didn’t have time to read a million comments, so you might have answered this – but why oh why didn’t you buy a cast iron skillet (used)? Talk about money saving. We have my husband’s grandma’s and it still works excellently. It was given new when she got married in 1952. If I inherit another, I will make sure to send it to you.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:48 pm

      Thanks Kris – this is another one of my Antimustachian weaknesses. I frickin’ LOVE super-slippery nonstick pans and HATE, HATE, HATE cast iron ones. I want to crack my eggs and grate my copious cheese in there and have them SLIDE out onto the plate when I’m done. And never have to even wash the pan. Likewise with my son’s french toast.

      Each high-end nonstick pan costs me about $30, saves me $300 per day of time and sanity, lasts about 10 years, then fully recycles at the end of it. It’s an amazing win.

      Can you tell I’m irrationally passionate about this? I. LOVE. NONSTICK. FRYING. PANS!!!!!

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      • chris April 3, 2016, 5:39 am

        Of all the things that elicit a response from me….

        You’re definitely missing out on the cast iron pan thing. It’s truly great. Feel free to continue cooking eggs on the non-stick wussy pan, but everything else should go in a cast iron skillet. If you keep it oiled, and seasoned it is naturally non-stick. Plus it will work out your forearms. WIN-WIN.

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        • caserole55 April 14, 2016, 7:31 am

          I agree. Aside from his charm and good looks, the best asset my husband brought to our marriage was a perfectly seasoned cast iron pan that he inherited from his grandma. We joke that I married hm for that pan.

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  • Christine April 1, 2016, 2:11 pm

    Oh I also have a question. I’m saving money right now to buy a home on my own. I’m earning 55K a year and I’m looking within the 250,000 price range. Does this make sense? I feel like a disproportionate amount of my money/savings is taken up by investing in real estate. Should I wait longer to buy a home? and invest some of my cash somewhere else? or bit the bullet and buy a home now at 20% down but not much more to save somewhere else?

    What are your thoughts on codos? I find the condo fees ridiculous since none of it goes into my equity. It just makes me want to punch the “condo manager” in the face. So I’ve ruled them out. Freehold all the way.

    Thanks!

    Christine

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:45 pm

      Hi Christine,

      I agree, condo fees are usually highly inefficient – the money goes to stuff like paying licensed and insured contractors to blow leaves around on the parking lot with gas-powered leaf blowers, and plow snow everybody should be shoveling with their own muscle power. But it’s always worth doing the math for every property.

      $250k sounds like a lot of house on a $55k salary, but you can make it work if you are in a healthy city and if it’s cheaper than renting. Also look into owning a duplex and living in half, or owning a house and renting out the lower level.

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  • Tim April 1, 2016, 2:11 pm

    Hey MMM,
    Seeing as you raised the subject of Tesla on the right day, what do you think of the model 3? Is 35k still not mustachian enough to be allowed? :)

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:42 pm

      If you have at least $1M of net worth and all your other financial obligations are taken care of, you may buy a Tesla Model 3. Heck, even a model S if you like. Or a Chevrolet Bolt. I think Tesla is a company worth supporting and the EV market needs to be encouraged.

      Just do it with the knowledge that it won’t actually make your life any happier :-)

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  • Kiki April 1, 2016, 2:13 pm

    Thank you for this website and for sharing your lifestyle. I’m learning a lot and changing a lot.

    I spend way too much eating out. I’m single, and for me, eating out is social time with friends. How do you get around this? I can imagine meeting a group of people at a restaurant just to watch them eat. What would you do?

    Thanks again.

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  • Sean April 1, 2016, 2:13 pm

    Hi MMM,

    I have been on the edge of my seat ever since your last post where you hinted at installing solar panels for $3000. I am super excited about solar power, however that price is an ORDER OF MAGNITUDE less than the quotes for installing a system around my house (Seattle). What’s your secret? Self installation? I worry about electrocuting myself when I install a dimmer switch, let alone that type of hardware!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:37 pm

      Hi Sean, there were some comments on that last post that went into details about the solar components. In summary, that’s about the cost to buy a complete system to cover my own house’s level of power consumption, assuming a DIY install. If you use 5x more electricity than me and hire a contractor, 10x the price sounds about right.

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  • Caitlin April 1, 2016, 2:27 pm

    Hi I have been reading the blog and really enjoy it. I am newly married (in our mid 20s) and my husband and I are both students. We are trying to minimize costs and do a pretty good job, but I have a question about cars. We recently bought bikes (which has been great btw, thanks for the tip), but still use our cars. We make an 80 mile trip a couple times a month to visit family. We have an 2003 Chevy Tahoe and a 200o Infinity Q4, both paid off. We have talked about selling one/both and buying more fuel efficient car(s), but are concerned that we would not be able to get something reliable for what we could sell ours for. How would you recommend exploring the car market? Do you think it is worth it to spend the time/hassle to sell and buy different cars? We are concerned we would not be able to get something as good as what we’ve got now for the money we could sell the cars for. We are also leery to only have one car because we have various study groups/school activities that come up and enjoy the flexibility (somewhat lame and pansy-ish, I know). What do you recommend we do in our situation?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:35 pm

      Hi Caitlin, if you look through my earlier comments you’ll see some car answers. The Tahoe and Infinity are disastrous emergencies – ditch them immediately! You can get efficient, reliable (and much more fun to drive) cars at any price. See Craigslist.

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  • VirtualMustachian April 1, 2016, 2:35 pm

    You had me all confused for a second. Hilarious! I thought for a moment, what the $^&*#, he was my hero…

    I have a complex question which hopefully I can shorten a bit. I’m currently maxing out an employer sponsored 401k (Mass Mutual) and a Traditional IRA (Vanguard). I love Vanguard, but my Mass Mutual index fund has an expense ratio of .65%. I also have a side-gig in the same line of business (software development) as my present job. Even if income from both my employer and side-gig are in the same line of business, can I contribute to both a 401k and SEP-IRA or Solo-401k. I’ve looked around, but information is all over the place.

    By the way, thanks for opening my eyes to a brave new world. Because of you my wife and I are on a super-mustachian path with 65%+ in savings every month. Forever grateful.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:26 pm

      Hi VM, I’m not a tax expert but I think the nature of each business would be irrelevant to the question.

      I’m not sure however if contributing to an employer 401(k) affects your ability to contribute to a SEP-IRA. Anyone else know this?

      Also, tell your employer to ditch the overpriced fund provider. Only through activism can we weed these guys out of the market.

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      • dandarc April 2, 2016, 11:09 am

        You get one 18K deferral across all 401(k)/403(b)s combined. Each distinct business you work for gets its own 25% of compensation / 53K limit though. So standard employee at a business you don’t own + side business and you could do as much as $106K / year, if you make enough at each and your day-job 401K is generous enough.

        So if you’re reasonably happy with your 401K options, do your 18K there, and go SEP-IRA for the side job for maximum simplicity.

        If you’re not happy with day-job 401K, you could go Solo 401K which potentially lets you defer more than a SEP-IRA, unless the side job is earning a lot of money. But then, you’ve got to factor in any match from the day job, which you still likely want to get, and keep track of that 18K employee deferral across the 2 accounts – easy to have to return an excess contribution from one of the 401Ks in this scenario. As long as you catch it yourself, that’s not a huge deal.

        Another thing to remember is that your day-job 401K, even if less than ideal on the expense front, is not forever – when you separate, you can always roll it into an IRA to get better investment options. A 401K’s fees usually have to be truly ridiculous (over 1% for sure) to outweigh the tax-savings for most. Even more ridiculous if you get a match. Even still, asking employer for better investment options is a good thing to do – 0.05% is certainly better, but 0.65% is not a “do not participate in the 401K” type of problem.

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        • dandarc April 2, 2016, 11:12 am

          TLDR: a regular employee’s 401K DOES NOT impact ability to contribute to a SEP-IRA for a side business. It can impact an individual 401K for a side-business.

          A SEP-IRA only takes employer-side money, and you’ve got 2 different employers usually – if you are also an owner of the day-job business, you’ll want to check if your side-income is considered from a separate employer or not.

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          • Glen April 2, 2016, 6:30 pm

            Just chiming in to agree with dandarc. I contribute to a 401(k) through my regular job, and a SEP-IRA for my side job (music).
            You would also be able to contribute to a Roth-IRA, as long as you are nt income limited (I do this as well).
            SEP-ira’s are crazy simple and a great money saver. The first year I opened it I was only able to put in $1600, but it reduced my Federal income tax by $800, which you could think of as putting in $800 with 100% matching funds from Uncle Sam. Hard to beat that kind of return.

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            • dandarc April 5, 2016, 10:44 am

              Just thought of another caveat – if you are self-employed and also want to do a Backdoor Roth IRA, you’ll want to have a Solo401K rather than a SEP-IRA.

              Because SEPs and SIMPLEs are considered IRAs for figuring the tax on conversions, you’re gonna have a bad time if you’ve got lots in a SEP or SIMPLE and try to fund a Roth IRA via the backdoor.

  • SenoritaStache April 1, 2016, 2:36 pm

    Hello MMM!! Happy April Fools Day!! My question is do you still have any rental properties or have you sold them all? I know that you had a couple of houses but I’m kinda lost now on how many it is you own at this moment. Thank you for all you do, you are truly the best!! 👍

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  • kevin April 1, 2016, 2:36 pm

    Can you explain how you account for the $10k you spent on home renovations? Are you just saying you don’t count it because you saved money from the move?

    Just wondering about how to account for renovations in my own budget.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:07 pm

      Hi Kevin,

      Yeah, it’s a little tricky. I normally count renovations as part of annual spending (you’ll see that in earlier spending reports).

      But in this case I’m in the middle of a multi-year project: I sold a $400,000+ house and moved to a $240,000 fixer-upper in 2014. But it needed close to $100k to be fully rebuilt (it was truly falling apart with no insulation and barely a working bathroom). This process is still ongoing. Once I’m done, I will resume tracking further upgrades/maintenance as “spending”.

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  • Heinz April 1, 2016, 2:38 pm

    Hello MMM,

    To make long story short – I am 40 years old, earn well and would probably have reached FI already, but my wife do not want hear much about saving and investing. She says “don’t tell me that saving-bullshit again”. We have lived together 23 happy years, she is incredible in all ways, educated, beautiful and lovely, works hard in she’s own little company, but my desperate attempts to reach FI seem to be mission impossible.
    What to do??

    Regards
    Heinz

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:03 pm

      Hello Heinz. Yours is a common dilemma. In some cases it can be solved, in others it cannot. See my earlier comments or search for “mmm selling the dream” and “is mr money mustache ruining your marriage” – both are 2-part series on this subject.

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  • Marcia April 1, 2016, 2:40 pm

    Ah sweet. Was hoping to see the 2015 Tally at some point.

    Arches!! We are on our way back to CA after a trip to Bryce and Zion. Arches next time.

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  • Nate Johnson April 1, 2016, 2:44 pm

    I’m curious what the balance of home schooling / public school looks like for your little one. My wife is a former elementary school teacher so we are also considering a hybrid style approach at least for the early years for our kiddos.

    What kind of ratio is it? And how did you get buy in from the school?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 5:00 pm

      Hi Nate,

      We do about 3-4 visits to the school per week, with 1-2 hours of class there per visit. The biggest benefit is just saying hi to the teachers (who are mostly cool local adults around our own age), our boy catching up with his friends at the school, and the 1 mile walk each way to the school. But the classes are fun too.

      Depending on the school system, an arrangement like this is often welcomed if you go about it agreeably.

      I also make a point of donating to the school (through the parent-teacher association) and volunteering. Just as in any other inter-human transaction, I think the average principal is likely value your help and be willing to help accommodate your kid’s needs in exchange.

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  • Thomas Bailey April 1, 2016, 2:47 pm

    MMM,

    I’m 25, single, living in the good ol’ parents basement (free rent) while I put myself through school (getting my masters in finance).

    My question is, housing. Do I buy a single family home or go multi family? Either way I would either rent rooms out or rent units out. I live in Salt Lake City, UT so I imagine home pricing is similar to where you live. Some tell me the housing market is starting to bubble and I should hold off…. thoughts?

    Also, is a real estate agent necessary? Why do I feel like they are just there to take my money? Same thing with HOA fees, should I avoid this pyramid scheme (I understand there are benefits to HOAs, but I just feel like someone is profiting off me).

    OR, do I stay put and continue to shove 50+% of my income into stocks?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 4:54 pm

      Hi Thomas,

      If you have the option, Multi-family and then living in one and renting out the rest is usually a great strategy. Get into the high-end DIY upgrades, manage it well, and you can be halfway to financial independence within just a few years!

      Real estate agents are not necessary in my opinion if you are a research and details oriented person. You can often just contact the listing agent to make your offer and request a discount of 2.8% that your buyer’s agent would have taken.

      I also agree that HOAs are a horrible invention. Not a deal-breaker, but consider the fee a tax on the property for which you get almost no value.

      Stocks are good too, but do the landlording if it works for your personality type. Start reading biggerpockets.com to soak up the trade.

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  • Jane B. April 1, 2016, 2:53 pm

    Maybe can you encourage Mr.Frugal Toque to do a post about his annual expenses? Since he’s Canadian (and you acknowledged in a prior comment post about car costs in Canada being higher) and it would be difficult to match the MMM family annual spending living here in Canada (Ontario). Would be terrific for us Canadian readers to have a comparison point. Thanks!

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  • Jone April 1, 2016, 2:55 pm

    Money, money money….it comes,, it sticks around for a while, find a couple of little green firends, makes some more baby Benjamin’s, who cares?

    But damn, where’d you get that shirt? I NEED that shirt! It’s so frigging true!

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  • Hester Stanhope April 1, 2016, 3:01 pm

    How do you only spend $3000 a year on health insurance??? After weighing a ton of options after my hubby was laid off and lost his health insurance we ended up forking out about $14,000 a year ($10,000 premiums + $4000 deductible) for a fairly crappy plan for a family of 3. That’s about 1/4 of my take-home pay! This isn’t including the amount that my employer pays toward the premium. We’re fairly healthy but I don’t want to take a huge financial risk so like to be insured. I’m trying to find another way to work this thing! Needless to say it’s interfering with living the MMM lifestyle! Hell, it’s interfering with being able to keep up with other necessary expenses. Help!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 4:49 pm

      Hi Hester,

      As the chart says, that amount has almost doubled now due to some turmoil in the Colorado market and the ACA. But still, I wouldn’t expect it to cost $10,000.

      Did you go to healthcare.gov, sort by price, and select the lowest coverage you can get? It is usually best to minimize insurance coverage unless you have really expensive chronic medical costs.

      Are you eligible for any subsidy? (Apparently they don’t phase out fully until over $90k in family income).

      Good luck.

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  • Pat M April 1, 2016, 3:02 pm

    I was not fooled at all – jumped to the bottom of the article and saw the frying pan and spatula. Thanks for the recommendation – bought them!

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  • Jason April 1, 2016, 3:03 pm

    When I first stumbled upon your blog recently, I was extremely excited about how I could learn how to optimize my spending and save even more (currently only saving around 20% of take home pay). I discovered, however, that I’m pretty much already following most of your advice and my family-of-four’s annual expenses are around $26k, not including mortgage payments. Although I have a modest sized house, since I live in a very expensive area, Arlington, VA, my annual mortgage payments total around $36k! I could live farther out from DC and pay less, but then I wouldn’t be able to commute by bike to work everyday and would have to buy a car, which I’ve successfully managed to avoid over my 10 year career. I love your blog and continue to try to put into practice your tips, but am just a bit disappointed that there isn’t much more I can do to optimize my living expenses.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 4:43 pm

      Well done, Jason! I think you’ve optimized well so far by avoiding the usual DC commuting trap.

      I’d just work on the housing-to-income ratio somehow: keep working on that angle and don’t become complacent. You either need to earn more (which is after all the whole point of the DC area), or hack the housing situation (get a nice duplex and rent out half of it perhaps?), or move to a different city where you can get equal or higher pay with lower housing costs.

      The cool thing is, ALL of these things are possible. Others in your area have done them all already. But you need to devote a few minutes of each day to thinking about it and putting out some feelers to see what works.

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  • Darren April 1, 2016, 3:05 pm

    My heart was breaking the whole first half of the article until I saw the notice and looked at the calendar to see what day it is. Probably the best April Fools’ I’ve ever received.

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    • Cara April 1, 2016, 3:31 pm

      HAHA! My heart was breaking too! I was telling the mister how sad I was and that I just felt so disheartened! Then I shouted “OH!!” and he said “April Fool’s Joke?” hahaha… it didn’t even click to me!

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  • Jeremiah Brown April 1, 2016, 3:09 pm

    Hi MMM!

    Every time I read your blog I get a shot of adrenaline like I want to go to war with you against lazy habits. The more I read, the more I feel like your frame of mind is well suited to becoming an Olympian. I grew up in Ancaster, Ontario, not too far from your original digs and used many of the principals you expound on to enable me to win an Olympic medal in rowing in less than four years from first strokes to podium in 2012. Have you ever considered going to the Olympics? What sport would you do? Cycling of some kind, no doubt? I think you’d be great.

    Cheers,

    Jeremiah

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 4:40 pm

      Cool story, Jeremiah! But I think you got the wrong guy: I’m kind of an anti-competitor, I love helping people but never want to beat anyone (or lose to anyone). It’s all about working together. Even in video games and volleyball, I always want everyone to be on the same team. Nothing against the olympic games, though.

      My biggest olympic-style goal is working to climb above some of the flaws in my human nature over my lifetime: get better at lots of useful shit, confidently travel around and help other people get a bunch of good shit accomplished.

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  • Paul April 1, 2016, 3:10 pm

    MMM, i really love your blog!. Next year i’m becoming FI (frugal lifestle plus high income, i do internet marketing, have my own startup).
    When you finally reach the point of FI, how do you stop?, how do you avoid the psicological addiction of earning more and more and more, even when you know you don’t need to?, even when you know that would not make you happier?.
    Would be cool to have your thought on that.

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  • James April 1, 2016, 3:10 pm

    Well Played, MMM. Your timing so near the Tesla Model 3 reveal made the posting all the more real. Whew! Now I can keep driving my 2000 Honda Insight in peace and happiness.

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  • SSS April 1, 2016, 3:16 pm

    Hi,

    I’ve been devouring your collected works over the last month or so (only at mid-2012 though!) and have already found ways to save almost $1K/month in our household. I have a question about cars. I bought a very Mustachian 1984 Volvo Wagon for $6K in 1996 when I moved to San Francisco. Used it mostly for hauling things for house projects, otherwise biked and bussed it for commuting in the city. I kept that car until 2007, when someone smashed into it and totaled it. I was barely using the car, so just committed to riding my bike everywhere, got saddle bags for groceries and so on. We tried to remain carless having a child in 2011. That worked until 2013 – we occasionally rented a zipcar when we needed one, but it started to get tricky with the kid activities and school.

    I looked up my past car costs and whether it was the old Volvo or the couple years of Zipcar, the annual cost was about $6-8K when factoring in gas, repairs, and maintenance. Then I started to analyze our options. At first I thought a used car would be best – a Subaru Wagon or similar. However, cars here maintain their value well, and I had been taught that the sweet spot for used cars was the 3-6 year old range. The monthly cost was going to look similar to the $6-8K range.

    With good price negotiation and cheap credit (I know!), I calculated that a new VW TDI Diesel Wagon would also be in the same range – about $470/month car payment, plus insurance at $800/year, and very low gas costs – 50 MPG seemed too good to be true, but that is what this car gets (see VW’s global fraud re: NOx). Annual costs are around $7K including loan payments at 1.99%.

    So I still don’t quite see how your equations work out in California! What’s your Mustacian advice? Do you really see a way to reduce annual auto costs in San Francisco below $6K/year? With a 10+ year old car is it really possible to avoid several thousand dollars of repairs a year? We do bike just about everywhere – car trips are just for family outings beyond 3-4 miles, and we clock only about 5k miles/year.

    Scott

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    • geopter April 1, 2016, 7:03 pm

      Scott,

      Those costs seem high for not driving much — did you have really high repair costs?

      I’ve had a 2001 VW Golf (gasoline) for about four years now. I had it inspected when I purchased it, and fixed one outstanding issue for $1200 at that time. Since then, I haven’t had to do any work beyond oil changes. This isn’t really a car that tops the reliability lists, either.

      Stats are something like:

      2000-3000 miles/year

      $300-$600 gas/year
      $600 insurance/year
      $150 registration+smog/year
      $50 DIY oil change/year
      +
      $1200 repair (once)
      $500 tires (once)
      +
      $1000 purchase cost (significant interior cosmetic damage)
      —–
      comes to $1400/year in running costs and $2700/4 years= ~$700 in amortized one-time costs, or about $2100/year so far.

      A more typical purchase price of, say, $5k, would give something like $3100/year.

      I know there’s an element of luck here. But, I just mean to say that an older car isn’t destined to need $3000 in repair bills every year. (Though I have to say, if I were going to do it again, I’d look at the reliability stats to maximize my chances.)

      Does anyone know if there are repair bill stats for cars of various ages? (Vs. general reliability stats?)

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    • JJJ April 18, 2016, 11:51 pm

      Hi,

      I live in south of San Francisco. I bought a 2004 volvo s60 early in 2015 after having my mechanic inspect it. My repair costs up to now have been replacing a driver side mirror cover that came off while driving ( less than $150 for oem replacement ) and a tire replacement due to road debris ( less than $200). I picked this make/model because CR magazine had mentioned it as reliable for that model year. So it is certainly possible to have much less than $3k per year in repairs on average. The car I was replacing was a 1992 lexus sc300 which I bought in 1995. The average repair costs/year in the last decade I had the lexus were less than half your $3K estimate. Buying a high reliability rated car in good condition can make a big difference.

      Jack

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  • Matthew April 1, 2016, 3:26 pm

    Tried to fool us two years in a row MMM!

    Valueing my time at $25/hour, and considering esposure to your blog has shaved at least 30 years off my mandatory working career, I calculated that you have saved me over 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS!?!

    I am setting off on a cycling trip accross the US next summer. I will be passing through Colorado, could I treat you to beer and wings as repayment? :)

    (By the way, on track to retire at 28, looks like I might beat the master!)

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 4:22 pm

      Congrats Matthew! Both the retirement age and the bike trip sound impressive. I may gladly join you for that unhealthy feast if I’m in town when you pass through.

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  • Cara April 1, 2016, 3:29 pm

    Hi! :)

    I was completely blown away at first, I just thought… NOOOOO… my hero is gone!! But the mustache family is still in tact :) yay!

    I have a question about republic wireless. Our cell phone bill is BY FAR the largest each month! We have verizon (2 phones) and it is definitely the greatest service of big service providers out there… and the service is important to me.
    Is Republic Wireless’ service good? I have been considering this for quite some time and would love to hear from those who use it.

    I am almost tempted to get an additional phone that is republic wireless and then see how that goes before releasing the security blanket of verizon. Testimonials would be great! :)

    Thanks all! :)

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 4:20 pm

      Hi Cara,

      I was VERY happy with Republic for all of my time with them, and the feedback from readers was highly positive too (see the comments on my older posts). The main complaints I could find were spotty voice calls for people in areas with marginal cell coverage, or voice delays when making Wifi calls with bad internet access.

      I don’t make voice calls very often at all so I would not notice either way (for me a phone is a texting and internet access device).

      But if you want top of the line service worldwide with top-end phones for a bit more ($20 per month plus data) check out Google Fi. There is no reason to use Verizon as far as I can tell.

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    • Colin April 2, 2016, 5:23 pm

      Verizon’s “greatest” network is truly a bit of marketing genius.

      While it was true in the 3G era when AT&T was buckling under the load of unlimited data iPhones in 2008, in today’s world of LTE AT&T and Verizon are mostly on par with each other.

      TMobile is fantastic as well if you live in metro areas.

      The only one I would avoid anywhere is Sprint (unless it’s on an MVNO that also uses Verizon).

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  • Jason April 1, 2016, 3:37 pm

    First of all, I’d like to thank you for taking the time to make this website. I’ve learned quite a bit – and more importantly changed quite a bit. Let me know if you ever need help with anything in the future. Consider this a very vague IOU…

    Now for my question. Assuming I’m on board with the whole frugality / efficiency / biking / etc. thing, and given I have some savings (say $200k net worth) – what is your take on work in my non-retired years? Do you think it is worth it to spend more time working now in order to be ‘retired’ in say 6-7 years? Or would it make more sense to just start living right now more like the way I would want to post-retirement (even though my actual retirement would be delayed significantly)? What would you do in my shoes, with all of your pre and post-retirement experience?

    And for a quick bit of background info: I’m a 30 year old married (with 3 kids) engineer living in Canada.

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    • Jeremiah Brown April 1, 2016, 4:02 pm

      Great question. So far my planning values time at a trillion dollars per second and I’m opting to put myself in a situation of semi-retirement as soon as possible, where I can enjoy more time studying music, being with my ten-year old son, and cultivating areas of interest.

      Would be great to get MMM’s take.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 1, 2016, 4:07 pm

      I agree with Jeremiah – if you can take it easy and live better RIGHT NOW, that’s an immediate win. Life will evolve and you’ll probably find ways to earn more and live even better. Meanwhile, you’ve started the Kids Project, which is a plenty good reason to put the career in second for now.

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