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Money Has Made Me Weak: MMM Family Spending Rises to $256,000

Money Mustache - Be Gone.

Money Mustache – Be Gone.  (photo credit: The Man who Gets His Cars for Free)

In my opinion, the first rule of being a reasonable person is admitting when you are wrong, so you can learn from it. So I want to admit something right now: I was wrong about spending money.

Remember how all this time I’ve been telling you that life is better if you aren’t focused on the pursuit of luxury? Yeah, well that turned out to be bullshit.

It was just a way of me trying to fool myself into believing I could be happy spending less money. Because I didn’t really have any other option at the time. Now that the money has started rolling in, I realize that the other rich people weren’t so dumb after all.

See, without really planning or deserving it, I stumbled into a goldmine by starting this website. It has become a truly once-in-a-hundred-lifetimes situation, with over 18 million people stopping by so far and hundreds crawling around at any given moment. With this level of traffic, even the minimal level of advertising you see at the bottom is enough to make freight trains of cash. More than enough money every month, for a family to live extremely well on for a year.

The pressure of all this money gradually overwhelmed me. It started with just tossing a $7.00 chunk of imported Gouda cheese into the shopping cart every now and then. I started throwing in a 12-pack of craft beer even when they were priced at 18 bucks, and sharing them freely with friends on the back patio. Then I bought my brother’s family a nice new fridge, because it was his birthday and they really needed one to complement their excellent cooking skills. I didn’t even notice the loss of that $1500 for a second. It makes me feel good every time I visit and see them putting it to good use.

So this made me realize, hey, even leasing a top-of-the-line Tesla Model S P90D at $1400/month would be just an imperceptible nibble out this incredible torrent of money. And I like fast cars. Especially when they are built on revolutionary technology that will change the world as we know it. It seemed worthwhile to at least try owning one to see if it would actually make my life happier. And it did.

Mrs. Money Mustache was not a car person at all, until she set the vehicle to “Ludicrous mode” and hit 60 MPH in 2.8 seconds. Now we have his and her Teslas.

his-and-hers

Mine’s the red one.

I had been living in a 1532 square foot house with no garage, constantly moving things out of the way so I could get to other things. The place was too small. Why live this way? I could afford a bigger house. In Cash. Every year! 

So we bought one – a nice 8200 square foot place just a couple miles away. You can still get a lot of house here in Longmont for $1.8 million, and with the interest rates so low, the mortgage payment on this place is only $8,500 per month. That’s a lot of money for a normal person, but again, at this new higher level it amounts to a few hours of work. Why the hell not?

newhouse

Home Sweet Home

Now the three of us finally have room to stretch out. To host family and friends in style. To do our own stuff without getting in each other’s hair.

I think I have finally absorbed the message of the many successful people that have stopped by to educate me in the comments sections of every newspaper I’ve had the good fortune of interviewing with over the years: My money is my own. I earned it, I deserve it, and it’s nobody’s business how I spend it.

After just a few more changes including some help with the house cleaning and gardens, private school for little MM, food delivery and better restaurants (turns out we don’t really like cooking after all), I found that our annual budget had swelled a little. We went from about $25,000 to $256,000.

Even after this adjustment, we’re still saving plenty, so where’s the problem? And we are much happier for the change. 

Frugality is fine – I’ve still got plenty of tightwad cred with my programmable thermostat, a hole in my favorite sweater and duct tape patches on some of my winter gear.  But no more of this extreme frugality like the old Mr. Money Mustache. That’s for poor people.

Oh, and April Fools, obviously.

The Real 2015 MMM Family Spending Report!

In real life, this is the extent of my fanciness. A pretty fine kitchen and I even upgraded my frying pan and spatula this year.

In real life, this is the extent of my fanciness. No McMansions, but still a pretty fine mostly-complete kitchen if I can flatter my own DIY skills a little. And I even upgraded my frying pan and spatula this year.

The part about the excessive income is real*. But I only mention it to show other wealthy people that we don’t live this slightly-less-ridiculous-than-average lifestyle because it’s all we can afford. We just live the best life we can dream up given our current level of skill, and this is what it happens to cost.

Our total 2015 Actual Spending was $23,941.44 according to the spreadsheet. While most humans that have ever lived since the invention of currency would find this to be an insanely high amount to work with, it can be a surprise to some of my fellow one-percenter Americans. So here are a few mental adjustments to keep in mind:

  • We own our house with no mortgage. If you were to finance a place like this, the monthly payment would be at least $1700/month. So you’d add $20k if comparing to a mortgaged life.
  • It doesn’t include income taxes. If you live at this level of spending and set your income level (from investments) to match it closely, you’ll pay no income tax. If you’re still earning and saving, you do need to pay the tax. In 2015, because of these unexpected earnings, I paid several times more in income tax than we spent on our entire lifestyle. But the amount of tax depends entirely on how much you earn, which is why I don’t count it as part of spending.
  • This is only the spending, not the saving that any non-retired person should be doing. Even if you only max out an IRA, that’s another $5500. Hopefully much higher though : employer 401(k)s let you contribute $18,000 these days.

So all told, we consume at an equivalent rate to a fairly financially irresponsible family with an  income of $62,000 per year. That is, if a family of three earned $62k, paid tax, foolishly took out a mortgage on a $400,000 house, and saved just a tiny bit into the 401(k), they’d run out of money at roughly this level of spending.

Exploring Arches National Park with my little buddy during a camping trip there, April 2015

Exploring Arches National Park with my little buddy during a camping trip there, April 2015

If they commuted to work in large cars like most people do, add another $15,000 or so. With just a few other nudges towards “normal” (cable TV or a taste for Starbucks or fancy shoes, for example) a lifestyle no more noticeably fancy than my own would consume an entire $100,000 salary very easily. So it’s not really an ultra-frugal life. Just a somewhat optimized version of an upper-middle-class life.

And here’s where it all went:

Category20142015Comments
Mortgage Interest00
Property Taxes2,1201411We downsized houses in mid-2014. 2015 was the first full year of enjoying the new lower tax rate.
Food and Dining7,1097,400
   Groceries   6,593   6,232See article: Killing your $1000 Grocery Bill
   Wine/Beer   322   627This includes parties, I don't drink this much myself!
   Restaurants, Coffee Shop   194   541Our major indulgence increase this year. Longmont's "Flavor of India" and "Sushi Hana" are the chief beneficiaries of this spending.
Healthcare4,2683,733
   Doctor Visits   484   0A thankfully healthy year for all
   Health Insurance   3,272   3,000For 2016 this will be double due to a new health insurance plan. (A downside of the ACA for those with very high incomes)
   Dentist   512   256
   Pharmacy   n/a   42
   Physical Therapy   435Mrs. MM was recovering from a nagging case of "frozen shoulder" this year.
Auto and Transport490945
   Gasoline   71   332Includes two trips to Utah in my gas-guzzling van: one for the annual "Safety Pirates" snowboarding trip, one for camping with the family and some friends.
   Insurance   347   357Fantastically cheap thanks to Geico
   Registration & Testing   72   1692005 Scion xA and 1999 Honda Odyssey
   Express Tolls   0   0Started taking Uber to the airport instead of driving
   Service & Parts   n/a   88Wiper blades, brake shoes, and oil change supplies
   Public Transportation   0   0Nothing against the bus, Bikes are just faster
Utilities1,6141652Electricity, Gas (heating, cooking), trash/recycling, city park fees, etc.
Cell Phone300539Google Fi and Republic Wireless
Internet Access360692Damn that is expensive.
Home429<120>
   Home Renovations   19120Curtains and some paint. Does not include $10k of materials used in actually finishing the build-out of this house, since we're still running a profit due to the 2014 downsizing.
   Home Insurance   4100I am self-insured for now, since the cost (and extremely low probability) of replacing the house would not be a significant burden.
   Landscaping/Plants   0I did plant a remarkably successful tomato plant this year - probably got $100 of kickass tomatoes off of that thing.
Gifts/Donations1,1551,747Mostly school/family gifts. Does not include donations made by the business.
Crossfit/Yoga330230Mrs. MM switched to Yoga (social event with friends) and working out at home for this year.
School Tuition00Mixture of homeschooling and neighborhood public school
Misc2,0983095
   Shoes & Clothing   492   754Both boy and lady got some fancy new winter gear this year.
   Sporting Goods   76   0
   Shopping Misc   654   1,274Storage baskets, insoles, compost bin, terrarium, suitcases, computer stuff, bike parts, household items, microwave, ottomans, coffee grinder, axe, frying pan, cheese grater
   Books, games, gifts   61   488Includes several thousand Magic the Gathering Cards
   Other   815   580Monthly Netflix, Movies Out, Bike Parts
Travel5,0572,376Flights to Canada in Summer, Estes Park VRBO house rental with inlaws in fall
TOTAL25,33023,941Hey, looks like it actually went down this year.
   Subtracting Tuition, Donations   24,17522,194
   Subtracting travel, crossfit   18,78819,588
   Subtracting organic/luxury food   16,44217,531Assuming a 33% increase on groceries due to organic + meat.
   Subtracting home renovation expense16,42317,411This is what our "no frills" living cost would be, unless we moved to a smaller house (Note: Misc category could be cut down a lot as well)

And so it goes – the years turn by and our spending barely changes. Someday there will be more exciting surprises in this report, but for now life remains happy without becoming more expensive.

Ask Me Anything!

I usually don’t intrude too much in the comments section, but since there are a bunch of new people here these days I originally put up an open invitation here for any and all questions.

It was overwhelming but fun – I spent the entire April 1st furiously typing and clicking on the computer to answer questions. Maybe hundreds of them – I didn’t even keep track. All I know is that I have a very sore neck and a flabby midsection from spending almost the whole day indoors today. So I have to sign off – sorry I didn’t get time to answer all of them. Tomorrow calls for beautiful weather so I’m getting back out there.

You can read the results in the comments below.  I hope some of it is useful to you!

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How to track your spending: We do almost all spending using a good cash-back credit card, and let the Personal Capital and Mint apps automatically categorize everything and display it in pretty pie charts and percentages for us. As a non-budget person, I find this method of tracking to be revolutionary, as it happens even when you are busy living life and forgetting about money. If you prefer to work within the more disciplined framework of a budget, take a test drive of You Need a Budget. Used by a surprisingly large number of Mustachians, which is how I heard about it in the first place.

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* So what will I do with so much extra cash? Why do I bother continuing to make any money if I don’t need it for myself? Many people ask this. The answer in my case is to continue to live roughly at this level of consumption, lead a secure and generous life, and reinvest the rest back into society, both through traditional charity and interesting projects made possible by the reach of this website (renewable energy, advocating bikes, making better cities, etc).

 

 

  • davin April 2, 2016, 9:13 am

    Pete,

    Since the original post said you would answer questions over the next couple days I held off asking mine due to being at work (ugh). But, I also understand you got swamped with questions and you probably felt like a squirrel that wandered into a monster truck rally.

    If you decide to answer anymore questions after taking a break I’d love your thoughts on this.

    Say someone is 30 years old and getting a late start on FI, and had about 10 years to go of working a job they weren’t crazy about.

    After reading your posts and others it seems as though those that are FI continue to work doing things they enjoy.

    My question: Is the 10 years spent in a career that drains the person worth it for FI, or would that person be better off just lowering their expenses and doing work they enjoy now.. even if that means they may never be “financially independent”?

    Just living a simple low cost lifestyle and doing things they enjoy. (downside would probably be occasionally being stressed about finances. Not having the peace of mind FI probably brings.)

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    • Greg April 2, 2016, 9:51 pm

      That’s a really hard and personal question. If I understand you, it seems like your weighted between:
      1) the possible stress of never being financially free or 2) Working 10 more years late in life in an unfortunate situation to become free

      Couple of thoughts:
      1) if you’re already late in your career; aren’t you making boat loads of money? So if you could cut spending to 25k/year or so…. it wouldn’t take 10 years to gather up FI money (25k*25 = ) would it? Yes, you’d probably have to change cars & possibly houses & sell a lot of things you’re holding onto. But would it be worth it? I’ve gotten rid of so many of my things; things I really thought were great memories & I’d hold onto forever. Took pictures of the really important ones & backed them up. I feel way better knowing I used those tools for progress toward my FI dreams. Perhaps you will?
      2) Use the Jeff Bezos method. What would you regret more? Imagine your life 10 years from now having gone down both paths. What would you regret? Imagine it again when you’re 80 years old or when you’re just about to die. What would you regret? Take the path that minimizes your total regrets.

      Me personally? I’ve had a really hard life until now. People have taken advantage of my generosity and lack of social sense since birth. & I actually cannot imagine a life without FI. So the path for me, is whatever it takes for FI.

      I’m not pretending to have all the answers. I hope that helps though. Whatever you decide. It will be the right decision, because I’m sure you’re smart & you’ll make it work.

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      • Lynne April 5, 2016, 6:59 pm

        Yeah, you might think it would take ten years – and maybe you’re right – but if you really start working on it, I bet you’ll get there sooner. A year ago I thought it would take me ten years. Now I’m looking at more like seven. Maybe it will be even less (you do reach a point where it’s hard to optimize your spending any further, but possibly my income will increase enough to make a difference).

        Everyone has their own answer to a question like this, but for me…I started my current career path all starry eyed and enthusiastic, and a lot (not all) of that has worn off over the last several years. I’d be worried that if I switched tracks to something that paid less, the bloom would eventually wear off the rose for that path too, so then I’d have a career I wasn’t in love with and wouldn’t even have the consolation of being reasonably well paid. I’m not sure there actually is a career out there I’d want to pursue full time for more than a decade or so. Given that, I’m just sticking with what I’m doing and pursuing FI.

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  • Grant April 2, 2016, 9:13 am

    Hi MMM/community! I’m a day late so I don’t know if you’ll still be answering questions, but I’d love to get your perspective (and in my best dreams, an article) on how to select an actual LOCATION for early retirement. I’ve been reading your blog for about a year and it has been truly informative. One thing I’ve realized, though, is that your approach to things seems pretty idyllic based on your residing in Longmont. I’ve been wondering about how to find cities that are conducive to the sort of lifestyle that you speak of. Any advice here from MMM/the community would be greatly appreciated!

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  • Mary Handy April 2, 2016, 10:05 am

    A friend referred me to this blog. She said, “This guy does a bunch of crazy stuff like you and Lucas.” I didn’t even realize we were doing crazy stuff. I guess maybe she was referring to us renting everything we own: Air bnb, Turo, spinlister. Shopping only in loose bulk food sections and buying everything else from the thrift store. Sharing a car, but choosing the bike instead. Living without TV or WiFi. Spilling all our earnings on our house payment every month, so our basic living expenses have to be paid for by odd end side jobs we come up with. Ok, maybe I had an inkling that we were doing crazy stuff. ;)

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  • Ex-Sgt Pepper April 2, 2016, 12:36 pm

    I just wanted to pass along my sympathy AND EMPATHY to Mrs MM, am going through the frozen shoulder PT right now — wow, that’s some serious pain. I never would’ve guessed it. Also really enjoy seeing your annual summary to help compare to my own. Very inspirational! Thanks MMM.

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  • AHofMD April 2, 2016, 12:39 pm

    Impressive numbers for sure!

    Where do you account for household items like paper towels, soap, and cleaning supplies? Is that in groceries? Also wondering what your view is on the use of the dishwasher. I’ve read conflicting reports on whether hand washing vs. running the dishwasher uses more energy/water. What do you recommend? I’ve looked through the blog but can’t find your opinion on the subject.

    Thanks!

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  • Brian April 2, 2016, 2:44 pm

    Hey MMM – you had me fooled a little bit at the start of your article. I noticed that you said that your spreadsheet does not include income tax. I understand that, with a “low” or “self controlled” income. But you also say that this website generates revenue. I’m also self employed, and I can deduct out all of my personal income. What I cannot figure out how to negate is the self employment tax. I max out the HSA, solo 401k, and try to deduct all of my business expenses – but that self employment tax is always there. How do you escape it?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 2, 2016, 6:15 pm

      Hi Brian,

      While you have a profitable business, it seems you’ll always have to pay some SE tax. But once you’re retired (as I was in a financial sense for quite a few years before this recent blog situation), you have just dividend, capital gains, or rental income – no self employment tax on that.

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    • David B April 3, 2016, 8:22 am

      He doesn’t escape it, but excludes it from the calculations as it would throw the thing all out of wack since he pays much more in taxes each year than his spending. I feel the purpose of his budget is to help us all understand that one can live off of 25k take home pay easily and wonderfully and that can be cut down significantly if the need arises or your hair is on fire with debt etc. In the end if you bring home 50k after taxes there is absolutely no reason you shouldn’t be saving 50% of your income.

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  • Amisha April 2, 2016, 4:37 pm

    Hi MMM,
    Love your site… enjoy the articles and visit the forums often.

    I am a saver, but learned how to invest initially from your site… Have worked hard for ~15.5 years, and just hit the financial marker I was aiming for to feel comfortable retiring early recently.

    I was really hoping to be retiring around this time… but unfortunately about 1 year ago i had a bad health issue start. I hope it is not a long term chronic issue, but for past year as I work towards healing it has made my life uncomfortable and I am not back to normal yet.

    I would love to hear your thoughts… how would your approach to FIRE change if you were in my shoes? What are the steps you would take to ensure you were protected for in terms of health care?

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  • Hammo April 2, 2016, 6:07 pm

    HA! Nice one and I almost bought into it, because those Telsa’s are really doable IMHO (maybe I’ll hold out for the Model 3). Also a sweet ride. And free running costs, if you use the superchargers.

    Anyway, it’s good to see you are still living well within your means and my mortgages is the only thing holding me back from living a frugal life. It’s currently over 70% of my monthly spend. :-(

    Oh, and don’t think I missed that MTG entry. I’ve currently got sealed 7th Edition and Onslaught Sets (courteous of my MTGO redemptions) and are wondering if I should hold onto them or sell them. MTG just seems to keep getting stronger.

    GL with next year’s budget.

    And I’ll see you at the World Domination Summit this year. ;-)

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  • Matt April 2, 2016, 6:25 pm

    Hey Pete!

    You may have already addressed this and I apologize if you did, do you use a compost in back yard? What are your thoughts on the trash you send to curb? One of the towns in my local area Ithaca NY charges it’s residents by the pound to remove non recycleable trash which really changes behavior. What are your thoughts on food waste and leaves and paper going into a pile to use to naturally degrade or feed garden or other plants?

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  • Greg April 2, 2016, 9:34 pm

    You’re a machine. $23k & you did it all. I’m really impressed & always look forward to all your tips.

    Just sharing: I did about $18,500 last year, but that was with 1) obscenely high rent in a city $7k+ (includes all utilities, home related expenses, no cable, & living with a roommate). 2) Some poor spending/shopping habits at the beginning of the year (enjoy rock climbing) & 3) An old tacoma that gets 22mpg & a lust for visiting waterfalls.

    I really want to continue to break this down & retire early so I can give more of myself to the world in a niche (working about 100hr a week now so it’s tricky starting side projects; hopefully will change soon). I’ve already significantly reduced shopping after finding your blog (I include clothes & many other things in shopping budget). If I could buy a house and rent it out or figure out another living situation in Nashville, TN, then I might just be able to make it all workout. Seems to make sense to work on the highest cost item. As for now, it looks like I have 10 years before retirement -_-

    Does anyone have suggestions on living arrangements? Or how to find a good deal on a house in a rentable location around Nashville, TN? Much appreciated fellow mustachians.

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  • Tears of a Clown April 2, 2016, 9:40 pm

    Hi MMM I would like to ask a small favor of you. Can you _please_ stop referring to the automobile and the poor utilization of said vehicle as a “clown car”. I am in fact a clown and every time I go everywhere in a car I always travel with at least 24 other clowns. It is the clown code after all.

    Scientifically I am not sure if this many passengers make it more or less efficient than walking or riding a bike (you have to factor in our large feet and shoes of course) but the “clown car” association on this blog is almost enough to wipe the smile off of my face (which usually takes a lot of toxic paint remover, so maybe it is an environmentally good thing to disparage my community after all).

    Anyway, please consider this and I hope your bikes all have wonderful horns!

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  • Kayle April 3, 2016, 10:44 am

    Hello MMM,

    Like many I’ve discovered your blog and have been an active reader. I’m 24 and got my first big boy job as a teacher. I have a rather long commute (45 miles each way) but I had to take what I could get out of college. I live with room mates and still have the luxury of my parents paying some bills (cell phone and car insurance) that will probably change soon.

    Most everything I makes goes to paying off student debt (high interest rate loans first) and I started a Betterment account (build wealth individual taxable account). I set up $100 to auto invest to Betterment each month but I contribute more myself. My question: Is this the right account to set up? I’m new to investing and just chose the Betterment account per your prior blog post. (90% stock 10% bond allocation). I don’t have a 40lk. I think my equivalent to that is a 403b but no matching contribution.

    I also have 6% come out of my checks for retirement as well and recently got a Chase Freedom credit card with some nice perks and have that set up for auto pay as well. I keep around 5k in my checking for auto pays and oh shit moments. I also upgraded my checking to gold checking .03 interest!

    Trying to get rich as a teacher :O and maybe dabble in real estate when I have some money and do my research.

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  • Mish April 3, 2016, 6:15 pm

    Hi MMM,

    Thanks for your awesome blog! Since you offered the AMA, I’m going to jump.

    Husband, toddler and I live in a small mountain town. It’s great for a lot of mustachian reasons: we can walk almost everywhere, there’s a free bus system, there are ample bike and walking paths that lead to amazing wilderness pursuits, consumer meccas (like Target and Walmart) are over 2 hours away, we get free ski passes, 98% of our heating comes from our own chopped-and-stacked wood, and our friends are all like-minded, self-reliant, rugged souls. We own a business here that is doing well, have made great friends, can be out the door and camping at the drop of a hat… so we would prefer not to move.

    However, since it is a ski resort town, home prices are high. We currently live in a townhome that we bought for $250k. It suits our needs space-and-location-wise just fine, however there is the dreaded HOA ($460/month) that pays for such extravagances as: a hot-tub heated year-round, a pool in the summer, a property manager who wanders around with an obnoxiously loud leaf-blower, random projects (last summer they paid for this huge landscaping project to add terraces in front of our neighbor’s house…), postage to mail out large documents (email, hello?), etc.

    There are also restrictions (of course) that have prevented us from: turning our pointless lawn into a garden (if they’re going to waste the irrigation water, may as well grow something), composting, installing solar, adding more windows to our south-facing wall, etc.

    A basic, no-frills home would be in the $500-550k range (what one might consider a “normal” family home would be $700-800k). We go back and forth on wondering if we should stay put and just deal, or buy an actual house. Our monthly payments would go from about $1800 (incl. HOA) to $2400. Renting is the same or more (high demand) so that’s not really an option.

    There also aren’t any lower-cost areas nearby – it’s a town in the middle of public forest and moving to the nearest bedroom community would mean we’d lose all of the things we love about living in town.

    Joining the HOA board wouldn’t really accomplish much either. Getting rid of the hot tub and pool would go over like a lead balloon. We could possible make small changes that would chip away at the monthly cost, but the big-ticket items are really untouchable: insurance for said dangerous water holes, snow removal, reserves.

    Cheers

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    • Mish April 27, 2016, 6:18 pm

      The toddler was waking from the nap, sorry for the abrupt end and unedited email.

      – no other debt besides mortgage
      – would have 20% down for new home with sale of current
      – need to increase retirement savings but business is doing well so we’ll keep adding the new income to that without the lifestyle creep (besides a potential house, ha)

      So loooong question short, would you stay in the townhome with stupid HOA, or move to a house?

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  • Astrid April 3, 2016, 8:35 pm

    Did I read that right? You have two vehicles? Aren’t two vehicles meant for a couple who both work far from home in opposite directions? Doesn’t fit the mustache family description. Also what about zipcar or car share programs? Is that an option? I have a hard time understanding why you even have one car much less two.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 4, 2016, 2:18 pm

      Exactly! We have two vehicles because we are extremely high-spending wealthy people who still allow such excess to exist in our lives. Not even remotely “hardcore” as the detractors insist. We absolutely don’t need cars and could live without them. They’re just a fun convenience that we can afford, but try not to misuse them. The cost is negligible, but if there were ever to be a shortage of money, those cars would be gone.

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  • Patrick April 3, 2016, 9:01 pm

    Which crossfit gym in Longmont is only $27.50 per month??? ($330 line item) – I can’t get my wife to hit the gym in the basement with me, but she will do crossfit (prefers the group/class and directed format). She is dead set on spending $120+ on the local Erie or Lafayette options. I’d be happy to spend $10 extra on gas (and I suppose an extra $20-30 on maintenance) for her to drive to Longmont if it saves us $72.50 per month on the membership dues. Granted, she can easily bike to the Erie crossfit gym.

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  • EventualMustache April 4, 2016, 8:43 am

    We are 3-4 years away from hitting our FI/RE numbers. Any advice for the “almost there” people?

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  • Newbie April 4, 2016, 9:36 am

    I know I’m late for the questions but thought I would pose this anyway. I’ve noticed in your budgets that you don’t have have a “child” line item as I suppose those expenses are with other areas. But don’t you find that there are a lot of expenses associated with a growing child? Your child is about the same age as my youngest and we do a Charter school that is part-time home school (MWF) and part time regular classroom (T/TH) and there always seems to be field trips to pay for (GREAT stuff including civil war reenactments, museums), the annual class trip, Boy Scout stuff, birthday party presents (we try to hover around $15), educational toys/materials/city classes to enhance learning. I also don’t remember ever seeing you include money for bikes although I’m sure your child has outgrown many. My husband and I also recently started hiking/backpacking and WOW is that expensive (who knew getting back to nature could be so materialistic! – REI got a good portion of our outflow). I know you’ve mentioned that you started your simplified lifestyle with a hoard accumulated during your heyday but I imagine you’ve upgraded that equipment or again had to purchase stuff for your child. Is that all included? We do utilize eBay and Craigslist and I push for a minimalist lifestyle but it still seems to add up…

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  • David April 4, 2016, 10:30 am

    Did you build those kitchen cabinets yourself? If so, do you have any resources that you’d recommend for building with that level of precision?

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    • Nicole H April 4, 2016, 11:18 am

      I am almost positive those are IKEA cabinets. We used them in our kitchen remodel also. You do have to put together the cabinets but they come with all the pieces ready to assemble so no real “building” required. Incredibly well designed cabinets and about a quarter of the price of what you could get at a big box store for standard cabinets, not to mention what custom cabinets would cost!

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  • Damo April 4, 2016, 10:44 am

    What are your recommendations for online resources to learn computer programming? I’ve had some exposure to programming with VB from my university degree. And, I’ve also put together the occasional macro for software I use in my profession (mining/technical services related). But, i’m pretty keen to learn more, with a view to eventually using the experience I’ve gained in my current career to make a piece of software.

    Should I consider signing up to do university degree in computer science?

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  • Nicole H April 4, 2016, 11:10 am

    My husband and I have enjoyed following your blog for a couple years now. We are investing every extra penny we can in index funds as well as fixing up our 1949 house (which is a double bonus because it increases the value of our property plus we get to enjoy it ourselves! Actually triple bonus because we also get the satisfaction of doing challenging physical work and learning new skills as we remodel different parts of the house and yard. We completely remodeled the kitchen for $11,000 including removing a load-bearing wall; we only hired a couple things out, such as an electrician to redo wiring etc. We are pretty proud of the kitchen. Currently working on completely overhauling the landscaping which originally was a complete carpet of water-sucking grass – not ideal for our dry Colorado conditions!)

    My question is about your health insurance premiums. We don’t make nearly as high an income as you and chose the cheapest high-deductible HSA plan my husband’s work offers (plus we max out the HSA) and we paid $10,000 last year for premiums alone. We just had our first child in January so our premiums jumped up to $15000 this year, plus we already paid about $7000 on deductible and co-insurance for the birth (which was completely natural, so we didn’t even have the extra cost a c-section might have cost us). Unfortunately since we have hit deductibles for me and the baby, plus nearly the out-of-pocket max for the family it seems foolish to switch plans until 2017. But the premiums are so expensive! If there was an option for $3000 however, it would seem better to go ahead and switch. Please let us know how to get this kind of deal!

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  • Rebecca Woolston April 4, 2016, 11:22 am

    Hey there, I’m new to the MMM world (within the last month). I’d love to hear more from Mrs. Money Mustache. Is there a section of your site dedicated to her? I think it would be nice to hear more about food shopping, female social events surrounding money and shopping, her etsy shop, and how she balances some of these things from a woman’s perspective. Thanks!

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  • Phil April 4, 2016, 11:56 am

    MMM,

    Have you looked into seeking 501(c)3/nonprofit status for your blog?

    I’m no expert in this area, but it seems like something worth exploring. By reducing/eliminating the amount of taxes you guys pay on the income on this blog, you could then funnel more into whatever philanthropic efforts you guys have going. From what I understand of this classification, you would be tax exempt as long as all your blog proceeds serve some sort of public good. I sure think your blog serves this purpose, and if you’re already donating the profits then it would seem you’re currently operating under this structure without getting the tax benefits.

    The main drawbacks are increased paperwork and separating your for profit and nonprofit efforts. This would definitely be a bigger hassle, but probably worth it if you can put more money to good use. I’m sure there’s some nonprofit expert in the MMM community that could check the feasibility of you doing this, and probably could help you make it happen.

    Hope this helps; please keep doing what you’re doing.

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  • Frugal Bazooka April 4, 2016, 12:54 pm

    The real reason people of my ilk return time and again to MMM website of magic and comedy:

    “…if I had a valid use for such a luxurious electric racing wheelchair. ” – classic MMM sarcasm and humor at it’s best…i laughed out loud and although I write “lol” a lot, I only actually lol a few times a year and this was one of them.

    I also just have to point out that someone a few posts back asked how you categorize toilet paper in your budget and then wondered parenthetically “assuming you use toilet paper” = First, the fact that you responded at all to this question is a credit to your attention to detail and your patience with the human race. (This sort of makes you the Jimmy Carter of financial advice and I mean that in the best way possible – he used to personally schedule the White House Tennis Courts) Secondly, I mean…how do you let that slide? I laughed for 10 minutes and then realized that you should have responded with…”what exactly IS toilet paper?”

    What other financial blog offers such comedy?

    None.

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  • Kevbot April 4, 2016, 12:59 pm

    You say you’ve been on the prowl for a Nissan Leaf. What are you looking for in it? Also, do you have maintenance concerns for older models? Many places with “normal” people talking about EV’s say oh never go new, only lease. Which is dumb. But it’s hard to get good information about used electric vehicles.

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  • Kevbot April 4, 2016, 1:00 pm

    You say you’ve been on the prowl for a Nissan Leaf. What are you looking for in it? Also, do you have maintenance concerns for older models? Many places with “normal” people talking about EV’s say oh never go used, only lease. Which is dumb. But it’s hard to get good information about used electric vehicles.

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  • Steve from Arkansas April 4, 2016, 1:55 pm

    I wish I had thought it over before I read your April 1 post. I broke some ribs diving for a ball (stooopid at 60!) in a tennis tournament a few weeks ago and when I dissolved into a total laugh basket case I thought I was going to die! That was pure awesomeness! Oh I hurt so bad now. Stop it!

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  • Mary April 4, 2016, 6:10 pm

    I am still so impressed with your low number on groceries!! I spend an average of $1K per month for a family of five (ages 14-58). I cook from whole food, non-packaged ingredients. We don’t even buy meat! Maybe food in Colorado is cheaper than Oklahoma? I’ve read your grocery posts – still working on pulling this number down. Not sure what I’m missing on the frugal side. All family members are athletic, and we eat approximately 2000 calories per day. It just takes a lot of food.

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    • Mystic April 5, 2016, 1:57 pm

      I think eating 200 calories of organic spinach is 20X pricier than eating 200 calories from organic eggs. :)

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  • Dee Smith April 5, 2016, 4:18 am

    MMM. Please tell me where you get your medical insurance. My deductible is at 6750.00 for a SINGLE PERSON. And ir’s not an HSA. Yes, I have that amount set aside. But it’s harsh. I will have the option to choose an HSA in September 2016. Will just have to see what the “fees” associated with it might be before I jump on it like a duck on a june bug.

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  • Jack April 5, 2016, 11:38 am

    Seems like in your blog, and most others, the emphasis is on saving, and maximizing any employer matching. I never seem to come across many discussions or advice about what if I AM THE EMPLOYER. I run a small, i.e. fewer than 10 employee, business. I am frugal at work and at home, and try to provide for my employees as well as my business allows. I have aspirations on retiring some day too. Just seems harder with so many mouths to feed.

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  • Mattattack08 April 5, 2016, 1:14 pm

    I’m a little late to the party and had forgot about April fool’s, so I was in fact fooled for about 3 paragraphs. My goal for this year is $45K for spending. Much higher than yours. But I do have $6K in Mortgage, $8K in Student loan debt, and about $10K in home renovation costs. So if you subtract that out, it puts me right around $21K (assuming I can keep my budget). Of course I am only a family of two and I’m not sure how the cost of living compares in my part of the world – San Antonio, TX.

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  • Mystic April 5, 2016, 1:53 pm

    What if this was not April fools joke? what if the author changed his mind and lifestyle. doesn’t anyone have freedom to make conscious choices about lifestyle ? I see many frugal F.I bloggers who sheepishly justify a big purchase as lifetime value and have fear in heart about readers thinking about them as anti-frugal..it will just create cognitive dissonance…its always great when one makes decisions about life that are in congruence with ones values and inner sense of certainty rather than peer pressure ( of being frugal or consumoronpantys)

    whoever felt cheated needs to ponder and soul search a bit more. you like the message, you learned and you improved and that is why you are here (mostly)..then why judge…i think this site teaches first and foremost awareness..awareness against societal conditioning of having more, using more..it helps us make conscious choices in lifestyle design..giving us a template. 25k and 250k doesn’t matter actually at all.. i am just rambling now

    i think funnier AF joke would have been $999 weekly event or webinar..3 payments of 19.95 :) or signup for advance copy of Mustache 3 book to be released in 2018

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  • Gwen April 5, 2016, 2:59 pm

    Wow Just under $24,00 a year! Seems near impossible living in the state of NJ ! Since my son will be a senior in High school this upcoming year we are most certainly looking to downsize! The house poor routine is getting old (although somewhat a self made problem keeping up with the Jones’s) Our just under 2300 sq ft house on less than 1/3 acre costs near $12,000 a year in property taxes alone on top of our mortgage! That is half of your yearly budget!! Yikes..We can certainly downsize the house which will downsize the taxes some, along with NO POOL cost, decreased maintenance & utilities etc.. but we may need to move 45 min south to Delaware to make the biggest impact on improving our budget! As long as we keep this house it feels like a hamster on a wheel…spinning & spinning and getting nowhere! Wish I had been brave enough to sell the house long before now!

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  • Kevin April 5, 2016, 5:06 pm

    Hey MMM,
    Early retired too, but not quite as frugal as you, yet. When working lived off of a very small fraction of my salary not including bonus, stock or other investments.

    Couple of the areas that are killing me wrt expenses are healthcare, education and insurance. First healthcare, I’m 53 and have wife and 18 year old kid. Best I found was $910 a month as a high deductible plan. Trying to get my income down for 2017. If your income was large in 2015, how are you getting subsidy based rate, won’t that be adjusted once you do your 2015 taxes?

    Car insurance; yea we have too many, no payments, always buy cash. That said, when ya have an new, inexperienced driver on your policy, insurance is going to get a little higher when the little one starts driving. As others have mentioned you will want that liability policy, mine is $220 for 2M and IMHO worth it. You can self insure against a sue happy culture.

    You have MMMM coming up (mini Mr. Money Mustache) and will need college funding. I worked with a lot of bright folk at a well known tech company head with a (previous) major presence in Boulder, none of the kids received any major scholarships, even the girls headed in to STEM. One was high school salutatorian, graduated top of class at a local state college and the last year in college the school realized their valedictorian never received any aid from them, so they tossed 5K at her. Academic based scholarships are difficult to come by.

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  • couponvan April 5, 2016, 10:18 pm

    Great post….

    Someone in the journals said you had mentioned something about buying your next car on Craigslist -not the Tesla, right? ;-)

    I saw on the Denver Craigslist looking at used Leafs (not Teslas) that if the car has never gotten the CO state rebate, it is still eligible for CO’s rebate even if it is used.

    http://denver.craigslist.org/ctd/5480502448.html “WE BRING OUR LEAF’S IN FROM OTHER STATES SO YOU GET THE COLORADO TAX CREDIT!!!——– Used electric vehicles that have never been registered in Colorado are still eligible for an EV tax credit….the state will repay you 24% of the cost of the car (up to $6,000).”

    This company is importing Leafs to Colorado….and selling them high! In the PNW, used Leafs are going for $7-$8K.

    To me, it seems like an extra smart mustachian CO resident with extra time on their hands would go to the PNW and buy a much more affordable Leaf (or other EV) for $8K…and take a smaller tax credit ($2K) to make the car only $6K.

    MMM, who has a legitimate reason to DRIVE to the PNW for Camp Mustache, could do so in a car that would accommodate a car towing trailer. You could then haul that cheaper EV back to Longmont for minimal extra costs. The drive to/from Camp Mustache would be a tax deductible business expense too.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 6, 2016, 7:22 am

      You got it, Coupon Van – I’ve been to Green Eyed Motors and they know their prices are a bit over the market, so I wouldn’t pay their asking price. But I’m also looking at Craigslists nationwide for exactly that reason.

      But instead of towing a car back yourself, it’s much more efficient and cheaper to pay a shipping company to just load it on one of their trucks that is carrying many cars at once.

      If you get quotes from uship.com you’ll find car shipping is shockingly cheap: About $500 to ship a 3000+ pound Leaf from Kansas City all the way to my house, or $900 all the way from Miami.

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      • couponvan April 6, 2016, 8:08 am

        :-) I love to be ahead on something.

        I think shipping is the way to go for most people, but if you could tack it on a business trip, it might be a cheaper way to go. We personally used Broadway Express out of Effingham IL to ship our car from CA to IL when we moved, and it was WAY cheaper than the prices you quoted to put it on a shared semi truck. (That was 8 years ago, though we’ve had several other friends use them since then.)

        Since the Leaf is an electric car, you wouldn’t even have to pay to get the gas out.

        I really want a Leaf….DH really wants that Tesla.

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  • Deric April 6, 2016, 9:06 am

    Hey MMM,

    In a previous article you mentioned that if you had to strip down Mustachianism to one core tenant it would be “Ride a Bike.” I was wondering if you had looked into the vibrant and growing Non-Profit Community Bike Shop movement. Each shop is a little different but they are united through the shared goal of getting bikes into the community.

    A random group of shops that I’ve been able to volunteer with:
    Durham Bike Co-Op: http://www.durhambikecoop.org/
    Reno Bike Project: http://renobikeproject.org/
    Austin Yellow Bike Project: http://austinyellowbike.org/

    Wanted to make sure you were aware of this – what I consider – very Mustachian approach to bicycle advocacy in case you were interested in starting a shop in Longmont!

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  • saladman8283 April 6, 2016, 3:31 pm

    Apologies if someone already posted something similar, but I would not recommend that anyone go without homeowners insurance. Given the odds and cost of a total loss (a fire) and the cost of rebuilding a house, paying for a place to live while the house is being rebuilt, and replacing your possessions — all covered by homeowners insurance – the relatively low premiums are worth it, if for no other reason than to allow you to sleep at night. If you want to self insure, there are many companies that offer high deductible programs which lower premiums significantly.

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  • ickabug April 6, 2016, 9:02 pm

    Off topic, but I find the juxtaposition of the picture of MMM and the picture of Joe Dominguez (your money or your life) on the home page to be quite amusing.

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    • ickabug April 6, 2016, 9:04 pm

      Darn, I just realized that the pictures cycle, so old Joe is gone now. Wish I had have done a screen shot.

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  • Sara April 7, 2016, 4:48 am

    So I calculated out my spending (average) and if I pull out the income taxes and retirement savings as you did, I am actually spending less than you (for the record, I am a single mom, two kids, modest house still with a mortgage). If I removed the social security and medicare expense that gets zipped out of my pay check before I even see it, my expenses would be even less than that. The comparison is important because I always thought that I must be crazy overspending, but never really thought about the tax and other expenses of working. It probably won’t be “early retirement” for me, but good to know that retirement should at least be possible.

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  • FastStash April 7, 2016, 12:31 pm

    We recently accelerated our journey to FI by buying a house in Brooklyn, NY using a NACA loan. NACA is a national non profit with a goal to combat predatory lending. There is no down payment, NACA pays almost all of yor closing costs and allows you to buy your interest rate down to less than 1%. With the rental income from the second unit, we have dropped our housing expenses dramatically. While most of my friends complain about rising rents, we get to live in this amazing city for just $800/month.

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  • JW April 7, 2016, 12:40 pm

    Hey MMM,

    How do you convince your family to be onboard with living a life of badassity? My folks are a few grand in debt, but they are incredibly impulsive and still love to go out to eat a few days a week, spend tons of money on cable/phone bills, and buy lots of useless junk. Love them dearly.

    I’ve gone down the obvious route of trying to convince them, but it’s in one ear out the other.

    J

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  • BradassMuthaFatha April 7, 2016, 12:54 pm

    Question:

    I’ve decided to take the plunge and trade the substantial payments and high depreciation of my 2015 Accord for a reliable (and MMM approved) used car. In searching Craigslist, I’ve come across several cars that are being sold at discount, but have a “salvaged” title. One of the ones I am looking at (2006 version of the MMM mobile, Scion Xa with 74k miles) has the following note:

    “Has a salvage/ recondition title due to accident on the left front. Only left fender and headlight were replaced. Airbags did not deploy. Ali(gn)ment is good, drives great, passed safety and emissions without any problems.”

    I (think I) understand what the “salvage” designation means, but just wanted to see if I should steer clear of these completely or if it is worth looking into, as this particular model is selling at $700-1000 less than the KBB value.

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    • StephenC April 9, 2016, 4:57 pm

      If you know cars and can verify for yourself that the unibody is straight and was never damaged then as long as you plan to drive the car into the ground you can save a few $’s on a salvage rebuild. I find it hard to believe that a fender and headlight caused the title to be branded though but then I’m in Canada, maybe the rules are different here. If you had to take it to a bodyshop to be checked you eradicate most of the savings and it’d still be worth less than a non-branded if you sold it.

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      • BradassMuthaFatha April 13, 2016, 11:06 am

        Thanks StephenC,

        I’m not a complete novice, but I really don’t know much about cars or car repair. The extent of my car maintenance experience is basic things like checking/changing the oil, replacing old headlights, changing out a door handle, but those events were infrequent and aided by manuals/youtube videos.

        I also have a hard time believing those things causing a “salvage” designation. “Only fender and headlight replaced” might be their way of saying “there are other things wrong with it, but we didn’t bother fixing those”.

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    • swaayze April 9, 2016, 8:49 pm

      I came across lots of salvage title vehicles on a recent car search. The main issues IMO are a) you really don’t know the extent of the damage, might be insignificant but it was obviously enough to hit a certain threshold and b) you will undoubtedly have trouble reselling (if you don’t plan to drive it into the ground).

      I tend to think they’ve gone overboard in issuing so many but I simply didn’t want to risk having safety-related issues that may have been fixed incorrectly – so I steered clear and I have to think most folks would too (thus the typically lower prices).

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      • BradassMuthaFatha April 11, 2016, 9:27 am

        Thanks for the response, swaayze.

        As someone who is a car repair novice, I’m quick to avoid things like salvaged title cars.

        After weeks of looking online (Craigslist, AT, Cargurus), I found a beautiful, gently used 2010 Scion Xd at a local Honda dealership (52k miles for $9950). I know I paid a little more than I might have in a private sale, but it is nice to know that I don’t have to worry about the vehicles condition and whether it will fall apart on me within two weeks. I did not have the same feeling with some of the other independent lots I visited.

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  • Ellie April 8, 2016, 2:10 pm

    Just got around to reading this and admit it was a couple of paragraphs before I realized when it was written. :)

    So here’s a rundown of some recent expenses in my Chicago-area life:
    $9,000 annual property taxes on a 1600 sq ft house on a 0.2 acre lot (and going up soon!)
    $6,500 for emergency treatment including surgery for my cat
    $3,200 in auto repairs which had to be done if I want to sell my 2004 Lexus and get a car with better gas mileage.
    $2,800 to have our house partially re-plumbed.

    You see where I’m going with this…It adds up to almost an entire year’s worth of MMM family expenses!

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  • Trevor April 8, 2016, 7:36 pm

    Hey MMM, I’m a young guy with a lower income than most on this blog. I save as much as possible and aim to reduce expenses and increase my savings rate. I’m curious what your choice would be for an “entry level” vanguard index fund that starts at 3000$? I’m currently looking into VFINX and it seems promising for my goals and constraints. Thanks for getting all of this information out there! I appreciate the blog

    -Trev

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  • StephenC April 9, 2016, 4:42 pm

    Wow! Some of you budget numbers are much much lower than I could hope to pay up here in Ontario. Our property taxes are double (on an assessed 200k value), vehicle insurance about 5x, plates and service about 4x, and on it goes. I wonder about not carrying homeowner insurance though, more for someone who gets injured on your property but there’s still the fire loss possibility. BTW, haven’t been on here for a while but started reading your blog again. Good stuff here :)

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 12, 2016, 6:07 pm

      Yeah, good point about Ontario. In that location, I’d shift the equation more towards renting (especially in higher-priced areas), and I would DEFINITELY go car-free on any income under $100k, and preferably car-free regardless. But on the other hand you have the free healthcare which brings down the budget a bit.

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      • StephenC April 13, 2016, 7:00 am

        Car-free would be a good plan if I didn’t live outside of town or was in a big city. As it is I have a diesel dually to pull the 40ft fifth wheel and a Ford Focus that my wife drives. I’d rather eat peanut butter sandwiches every day that have no cars (yeah, I’m a car guy) but I do all my own maintenance. We’ve been mortgage-free for the last 15yrs and through 3 different houses. Certainly enlightening though to see the difference in US & Cdn expense numbers. It’ll be some time before my two sons can afford the cost of a house, renting makes more sense for the most part anyway, assuming you just want a place to live.

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  • Adam April 9, 2016, 6:29 pm

    So, don’t get me wrong, have been a MMM fan for years. Keep it coming. But there appears to be a persistent math problem. The Mustachian way of life costs $62K/yr. I’m going to assume that people don’t automatically get a paid-off home to live in. Wikipedia is showing Longmont median income for a household at $58,698 and median for a family at $70,864. That leaves a small amount for the 401(k), but certainly not retirement in 10 years, even if you buy a $250K home instead of $400K or similar tweaks around the edge of that number.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache April 12, 2016, 6:05 pm

      Right, which is why a median-Longmont-income family should not expect to retire in 10 years if they spend like the multimillionaire MMM family!

      You’d either have to choose to spend LESS, or earn more. Or take a happy medium where you’re financially free at 50 instead of 65. All three are completely viable options.

      Remember that this blog focuses on the “high income / medium spending” case, rather than “medium income / low spending” case, because that was my own experience, and that of many of our tech-heavy audience. It’s also where the biggest environmental impact can be made: getting my fellow rich people to consume less.

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      • Steve April 14, 2016, 10:26 pm

        And therein lies another persistent math problem. ‘Fellow rich people’ (millionaires) are 5% of the US population (and less 1% of the global population). The unfortunate truth is that economics (e.g. cheap oil) has an outsized detrimental effect on consumption (cheaper transportation, food, plastic…) than getting a fraction of the 1% to consume less.

        Not to be defeatist, but like Gates, you have to use your wealth and smarts to make the change happen when it cannot on its own. Answers like ‘I’m writing this blog to change the habits of high income folks’ shows just how delusional this all probably is.

        Not to fault you, per se. You have good intentions surely, but good intentions and reducing consumption at the margins won’t be very satisfying answers a generation on as to why we were still burning coal when the evidence for global warming and an environmental tipping point was being shouted from the mountaintops.

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        • Michael April 15, 2016, 12:56 pm

          I think when MMM refers to “rich people”, he’s generally referring to people with the capacity for excessive consumption (or on the flip side, capacity for outsized wealth accumulation). By a Mustachian definition, the amount of income required to consume crazy amounts is much lower than modern american society would believe. In 2012, roughly 20% of US households had income of $100k+, and ~35% were at $75k+, which is very much in the MMM wheelhouse.

          On the second point, I can speak from personal experience, that MMM is solely responsible for a tidal wave of changes in my own life and the life of my friends and family that will result in untold amounts of saved carbon and other waste over my lifetime. The impact he’s had on me would only have been possible from someone like Mr. Money Mustache.

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  • Embok April 10, 2016, 10:31 am

    Dear MMM: great to meet you and so many Mustachians at the Manhattan Beach meetup! Hope you enjoy your visit to LA. Thanks for holding a meetup here.

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  • IanJames April 10, 2016, 4:10 pm

    What guilty pleasure have you spent too much money on?

    Everybody has one.

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  • Sundeep April 10, 2016, 7:46 pm

    Long time reader, occasional commenter who stopper reading all comments when it got to the point that there were too many for you to reply back too.

    Great article as usual and it did not fool me for a second, although part of me thought was guiltily hoping you maybe did splurge a little just to enjoy some of the fruits of your labors…namely the Tesla…

    Regardless, I imagine it’s crazy work to respond to comments like you used to back in the old days, but it’s great reading your responses to people if you could carve out some time once a quarter or so to do it. If not, I totally understand.

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  • ER April 13, 2016, 2:46 pm

    MMM – I would really appreciate if you could give a detailed breakdown of what you eat for your meals on a weekly basis. Our grocery bill is by far our largest monthly expense (outside of mortgage and property taxes) and we don’t even eat a lot of meat. We run about $800/month give or take for a family of 4. I can follow how you do everything else in your yearly expenses, but I just cannot figure out how you keep your grocery bill down unless you are eating beans and rice for dinner every night.

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  • Steven April 14, 2016, 12:53 pm

    I was so impressed by the 643 comments that I had to come by and check it out myself and since you are still answering questions…….

    I’m wondering based on your experience with real estate and investing would you have changed anything about how you invested your money to reach FI?

    Based on our own situation we are heavy in real estate with the current plan of paying off the rental real estate to act as our income in FIRE, while building up our investments to have a 70/30 split in value and the idea of using the real estate income almost primarily in lieu of the 4% rule.

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