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Finally, a Stock Market Crash!

Boom!

Well, that was kinda sudden!

In the three months or so since we last spoke, the world has become an entirely different place – at least for those of us who keep up with any sort of international, financial or stock market news. 

The headlines are new, and the problems are of course very real. Russia has started one of the biggest, shittiest wars in a generation – killing untold thousands of people, displacing millions, and halting trillions of dollars of production and trade. This has compounded the “everything shortage” of broken supply chains that we have all been feeling for the past two years, creating even more inflation especially in oil prices. And just to amplify everything even further, China has launched a batshit crazy (and medically impossible) “zero covid” policy, locking down hundreds of millions of its own people who can no longer produce or export the things that the rest of the world’s economy had grown to rely upon.

The resulting shortage of goods and workers has created rising prices (inflation), which has triggered our central bankers to finally rise from their slumber and start jacking up interest rates.

Slamming on the Brakes: Mortgage rates have almost doubled in just nine months.

Which has in turn triggered the more skittish stock investors to run for the exits and completely change their view of our economic future, flooding the financial news with red ink and scary headlines.

The bottom line is that the overall US stock market is down about 20% over the past three months. Which means that if you add up your net worth as I do occasionally, you may find that almost a fifth of it has suddenly gone up in smoke. 

Fortunately, this is just an illusion. While the human side of every war is awful and you should help out if you can, the financial side of this panic is very normal and we were overdue for something like this to happen.

A 20% drop in stock prices is called a “bear market” and they traditionally happen every few years, lasting just 9 months or so from top to bottom. But in the Mustachian Era (the years since 2011 when I started writing this blog), there has only been one: the 2020 Covid Crash which only lasted about a month. Heck, even in my 25 year investing lifetime (roughly 1997 to present), there have only been a handful:

Bear market dateDecline (peak to trough)Duration (months)
March 2000 – Sept 2001 (dotcom bust)-36%18
Jan – October 2002 (more dotcom+housing)-34%9
Oct 2007-Nov 2008 (great financial crisis)-52%14
Jan – Mar 2009 (more GFC)-28%2
Feb-March 2020 (covid crash)-34%1
April 2022 – ??? (the current blowup)-20% so farWhat’s your guess?
Data source: S&P market data

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So if you’re under 40, some of this may feel unfamiliar.

Now that we’ve covered the background, we can get into some better news:

  • This is all a normal, healthy part of the economic cycle. In fact, our central bankers have deliberately created this situation for your own good and they probably should have done it a year ago.
  • If you are still buying or holding shares (as opposed to actively selling them), this stock market crash is actually making you richer
  • Even if you are retired and living entirely off of your investments, stock market declines are to be expected and should not derail your life of leisure – as long as you are following a rough approximation of the 4% rule and remain flexible and understand the concept of a Safety Margin.

If you really understand the points above and really feel excited about them, you can drop the fear and stress out of your investing life, which means you will live a life that is both wealthier, and more fun. So let’s cover each point properly, so you can be excited about all this as I am.

1) Why is this healthy again?

First, the part about the Federal Reserve and why a central banking system is so useful (despite the claims of financial anarchists like Bitcoin lovers):

When something bad happens (like the sudden deliberate recession we caused due to our own 2020 Covid shutdowns), the Fed can drop interest rates and “print money” in other ways to boost investment and demand in the economy. And it works – this is why our economy bounced back so quickly from the largest slowdown in history.

Some might say it worked too well – while we have benefited from record low unemployment, we have also seen prices of houses, stocks, and everything else rise with alarming speed. So eventually, they had to turn off the booster.

By raising interest rates, the central bankers put a slight drag on business spending, consumer borrowing and stock market exuberance. This lowers demand for everything, which pours some cold water on inflation. The deflating of the most overpriced stocks shows that the policy is working. And over the next year, higher mortgage rates should also end the crazy bidding war of a housing market we’ve been seeing in most cities.

But stock market crashes and even brief recessions are good for more than just fighting inflation. They’re good for fighting a persistent flaw in human nature itself.

Humans are lazy creatures at heart. When things get too easy, we lose our edge and our motivation to learn, innovate and make changes. It happens at the individual level, as I notice when I waste certain evenings on the couch accomplishing nothing. And it happens even more in the collective sense, if a group of people secures a nice stream of power and profit that remains unchallenged.

Imagine that you’re running a company. Your customers keep buying your stuff no matter what you do, investors bid your stock price up to the moon regardless of your financial performance, and there is no competition on the horizon. What do you think will happen to your monopoly?

There’s no need to speculate on this, because it has happened to varying degrees since the beginning of economic time. The answer is that you start to suck. Your product innovation stagnates, your customers grow less and less happy, and your investors grow nervous. Eventually, something comes along to poke at this bubble of complacency – in this case war and covid and inflation – and then POP! – your sales dry up, your stock price crashes, and your cozy corporate desk has turned into a tattered lawn chair in the parking lot and your business is done.

But wait! While you were adding that final layer of lipstick to your obsolete film camera or manual typewriter or gasoline-powered line of cars and trucks, there actually were competitors out there, inventing better products and offering better customer service and keeping their balance sheets lean, because they had to, because things for them were hard

Your inefficient company goes out of business, and your more nimble competitors welcome your former customers. They may even suck up the best of your former employees and buy your old factory to start making new, better products.

This happens all the time, and while it can be painful for those who weren’t prepared, it’s a healthy thing for business overall. And a healthy thing for overpriced housing markets, and the speculatively inflated prices of oil, lumber, copper and everything else.

To a certain extent, the high prices were useful in sending a signal that we need to produce more of these things. But beyond that limit, people started buying overpriced stocks, houses, cryptocoins and commodities simply because they hoped to make a quick buck by flipping them to someone else at a higher price. Instead of investing in a productive asset, these speculators were just assuming the recent momentum would continue. This type of gambling is a waste of everyone’s time, and a good price crash is the way we flush the financial toilet.

2) My net worth has just cratered by 20%. How exactly does this mean I am getting richer?

Results of a recent Twitter poll – Mustachians are well ahead of average Americans, of whom only about 18% consider this a buying opportunity (!)

The first thing to ask yourself is, “20% of what?” 

Sure, stock prices are down from a recent peak, but that peak itself was just an arbitrary fleeting moment of investor enthusiasm. Was that previous price really the “right” value for stocks, or did you just grow attached to it because of our known human weakness of Loss Aversion?

To put it another way, what if instead of looking at our investments as the financial media likes to portray them, which is like this:

Financial media: “Aaack, scary red line just dropped to ZERO!!!”

What if we decided to be more sensible, start the damned Y axis at zero as every graph should do, and zoom out to a reasonable time horizon,such as the Age of Mustachianism which happened to begin in 2011. And ignore the wiggly blue line and follow the more meaningful red line.

More accurate representation: “Whoa, stocks are a great long-term investment!”

Well, how interesting. Not only has this crash returned us to a roughly straight line of longer term stock market growth, but that line itself is very generous, representing a 12.8% annual compound gain if you factor in a quarterly reinvestment of dividends (which typically add about 2% to your annual returns but aren’t shown in these charts). Over longer periods like 50 years, stock returns have been closer to 10% after dividends, which means we’ve still had more than our share of good times. 

In the long return, stock prices are determined by this formula:

Stock price = company earnings x BRM*

*(Bullshit Random Multiplier)

The BRM, more formally known as the Price-to-Earnings ratio or P/E, is supposed to be based on a mathematical estimate of the present value of all future dividends you will receive if you hold a stock for the entire life of the company.

 When we expect higher interest rates or inflation over the next 20 years, the P/E should fall because those distant future earnings become worth less in today’s dollars. Meanwhile, if we somehow realize that the long-term future of the business world is even more rosy than we thought, the P/E should rise because investors can accurately predict a larger stream of future earnings.

But the “bullshit” factor comes in due to things like the “He Said She Said” nature of whatever Elon posted on Twitter today, momentum trading algorithms, meme stock traders banding together to drive up random stocks regardless of underlying value, and more. In short, the short term BRM is just a measure of the present moment’s balance of greed and fear.

As an investor, however, you don’t care about the BRM. In fact, you don’t even really care about the share prices of your investments, because the price of an individual share only matters twice in your lifetime:

  • The moment you buy it, 
  • And the moment you sell it. 

Everything else is just silly noise.

Right now, most of us are still earning money and accumulating more shares. Even Mr. Money Mustache, as a person who retired 17 years ago, is still in this boat for the simple reason that my retirement income from dividends and hobby businesses is still greater than my annual living expenses (which still hover around $20,000 per year).

On top of this, if you are holding mostly index funds as you should be, your stocks deliver a nice helping of dividends every three months, which you have set to automatically reinvest into still more shares of those same index funds. In today’s market, you are getting about 25% more shares for each dollar that you invest. Which translates to a full 25% more wealth from those shares in your future. 

(It’s fun math – a 20% drop in prices means you get 25% more shares for your dollar, and a 50% drop means twice as many, or 100% more shares per dollar invested.)

3) Okay, but I really am retired and trying to live off my investments now. How is this not a disaster for me?

First of all, you’re still getting the dividends that we celebrated in point 2) above. When the stock market crashes, dividend payments usually remain far more stable because the big, established companies in your index funds continue to make money. 

It’s quite similar to owning a portfolio of rental houses spread throughout the world: while house prices fluctuate all the time in different cities, the total rent paid by a group of thousands of tenants will tend to remain pretty stable and just rise at the rate of inflation.

So this stream of money will keep coming in and covering a substantial portion of your living expenses (between 30% and 50% for most retirees in today’s market conditions if you retired using the 4% rule). 

Even if you don’t adjust your spending or income during this bear market, the end result is that you simply need to sell a tiny percentage of your shares at a discount during the bear market – which means your portfolio shrinks a bit faster. 

But the 4% rule already takes this into account: if there were no such thing as bear markets, the safe withdrawal rate would actually be equal to the long-term average of stock market growth, which is closer to 7% after inflation. By sticking to 4% or slightly less, you are giving yourself a high chance of weathering the storm.

cFireSim: Economic History to the Rescue!

What if I “retired” at age 47 on $1 million, hoping to spend $40k (rising with inflation) for the next 50 years?
Assuming a small $1k boost from social security in my 60s, I’d have a 95% historical success rate. Only the Great Depression and the 1960s slump would have foiled this plan, and even then just barely.

To really understand what this means I reached out to Lauren Boland, the financial calculations wizard behind the amazing cFireSim retirement simulator. Her long-running site gives you the best shot at answering the question: “If I retire with a fixed chunk of money, what are my chances of success?” 

I asked her what it really means when the stock market drops: does a 20% drop really make you 20% less “retired” or is actual outcome more subtle? True to form, she got back to me within just a few minutes with these thoughts:

MMM: How should potential retirees think of the recent crash in valuation – has it really pushed out their retirement date, or not? 

Lauren:

It depends on how flexible you are willing to be with your spending. As stocks get more expensive (a higher price-to-earnings ratio), it can be a perfect time to spend more (take those gains), and when they drop in value (like right now), you may want to spend less to preserve your capital. 

We have a name for the this idea of stock crashes that come at just the wrong time: the Sequence of Returns Risk. If you retire just BEFORE a big stock market crash, your first few months or years will drain your portfolio a bit more than you expected, until stock prices recover. So, recent retirees are living this right now if they retired without much safety margin.

On the other hand, If you HAVEN’T retired yet, and your numbers still look good even now, I think it may actually be a better time to retire, since you can hope that history repeats itself and there is a recovery.  It’d be like retiring at the bottom of 2009 with still-decent numbers. 

— (thanks Lauren!) —

Okay, so we’re probably not screwed either way. But still, as a Mustachian this seems like a great excuse to refer to point #1 above: use the chaos and disruption as an excuse to make yourself stronger. Become more efficient with your spending, find enjoyable ways to create value for others that happen to produce money for you as well, and improve your exercise, eating and personal growth programs as well. Because hey, why not?

Epilogue: How does all this Misery end?

Although you now understand that even the current situation is normal and healthy, there is even better news at the core of it: It’s a self-correcting problem, and the solution is already in the works.

A shortage of goods, a sloshing overflow of the money supply and inappropriately low interest rates led to everything getting more expensive. But meanwhile, companies have built more factories and hired more workers to increase production and now the central banks have cranked up interest rates and reversed their other support programs as well. 

The result: mortgages cost more so housing sales have slowed. Consumers and businesses are both pissed off by recent price increases and more cautious about the future so they are buying less stuff, which reduces the Everything-Shortage that we mentioned earlier. Suddenly, supply catches up to demand and prices stop rising.

Or to summarize all of this in a much pithier way: the solution to high prices, is high prices.

The world is scary and the stock market has plunged, but the fundamental picture hasn’t changed at all: billions of humans are working hard and applying their ingenuity every day to get ahead. It’s a messy process, but on average we continue to succeed at this task over time.  People who understand this unchanging mechanism will look at this year’s sale on productive asset and say, “Cool – sign me up for another helping of future wealth, and thanks for the deal!”

In the comments – what are YOU doing in response to this bear market? Are you scared, or doubling down on investing?

  • Gene May 21, 2022, 10:41 am

    MMM, I plan to invest in more equities as soon as I see indications of stabilization. I have lost a shit ton since The New Year but, like you, I am optimistic long term.

    But my optimism is tempered, having experienced the lost decade. I would have liked your VTI Returns graph to include another 10 years, back to 2001, because the returns before taxes was a more moderate 8.64% per year. I am now looking at defensive strategies to mitigate any future lost decades (even though this is heresy to many buy and holders).

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  • Raj May 21, 2022, 11:21 am

    Currently don’t have a job, and am mostly just relying on my investments while I relax and leisurely look for something I want to do.

    The crash hasn’t even had that big an effect on me honestly, at most I’m a bit sad that I did a large investment right before the crash maxing out my TFSA.

    Went from a Septillion Digits to Quintillion or just over 90K, but still got more than a years worth of living expenses in my bank account, and another 8+ years in my Investment.

    Still young at 27 to boot, so honestly not worried even if I spent the last two years not working.

    Just getting the chance to focus on my own health, personal education, and relax from the burnout of no breaks for 7 years was absolutely worth it.

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  • Chris May 21, 2022, 11:52 am

    I am taking advantage of the opportunity and making purchases. Outside of regular contributions to retirement and 529 accounts, I have been staying heavy on cash waiting for something like this to happen.

    What I have bought recently:

    I series bonds in Dec 21 and Apr 22. With the forward rate for the next 12 months, this was a no brainer for reserve cash.

    Muni CEFs for a fed tax exempt monthly payment. These are getting crushed right now and trading at decent discounts imho.

    S&P500 funds. Buying monthly at this point, but may up to every two weeks. Awesome discount vs where we were back in Oct and Nov 21, with opportunity to double money in 3 to 5 years.

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  • Jim Mcg May 21, 2022, 12:11 pm

    Hi Good optimistic post and by God we need some optimism in the media these days! I just wanted to second the point that, once retired, having a one or two year cash buffer to cover living expenses is nice to have when the markets plunge. I did sell equities last year in order to have this amount in the bank and will hopefully keep topping it up when the markets seem to be a bit more positive than they are now. It’s impossible to know the best time to sell shares (or buy them) so my general intention is to do it in small, frequent batches, but it’s all a bit of gamble I suppose. That’s why it’s good to remind ourselves of the bigger, long term picture on stock growth to keep us sleeping at night.

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  • Kurt Buchert May 21, 2022, 3:12 pm

    We just straight-up ignored Covid here on the beaches of the Florida panhandle & it worked out pretty darn well. No masks, hardly any restrictions, most people I know weren’t vaccinated but are pretty healthy. Natural immunity worked for us.

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  • Ryder May 21, 2022, 4:53 pm

    MMM,

    Is seems you acknowledge that inappropriately low interest rates had a lot to do with everything getting more expensive, including stocks. Also the expanded money supply.

    “A shortage of goods, a sloshing overflow of the money supply and inappropriately low interest rates led to everything getting more expensive.”

    So why do you also think the central banking system is so useful? Don’t they deserve some (or a lot) of the blame?

    “First, the part about the Federal Reserve and why a central banking system is so useful (despite the claims of financial anarchists like Bitcoin lovers):”

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 22, 2022, 9:07 am

      No, to be honest I don’t “blame” the central bankers for not getting things perfect – something we can only determine in hindsight anyway. They are pursuing a very tricky balancing act. I’ve read enough financial history books about how things worked BEFORE the 1929-era crash that led to the creation of this system, to realize this is a big improvement. And I’ve seen the benefits of both fiscal and monetary policy in helping us through many recessions (and booms) in the past.

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  • Peter May 21, 2022, 5:31 pm

    Good piece. I am older than most of your readers, and remember vividly the high inflation years of the late 70s. Yes, inflation was high. But you could also get CDs, federally insured, with double-digit returns. So we survived fine, even though people trashed Carter and his aim of energy conservation, then bought into Reagan, and then taxes on the extremely wealthy were cut, and cut some more. As an old fart, my advice is similar to MMM: keep a stash of cash so you never have to sell stocks at a bottom; contribute everything you can to your 401k or other accounts; be happy when the market crashes because the lower price means you buy more shares with the next purchase; use index funds, so you don’t pay exorbitant Wall Street fees and don’t get devastated when your fav individual stock tanks; don’t obsess over money, because you are far more valuable as a child of the divine than your net worth; and each day try to bring value to your fellow humans and make the world a better place. You will be fine. There is already a Bezos and a Musk. We could use more Mother Theresas, Lincolns, MLKs and Ghandis.

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    • TJ May 26, 2022, 10:17 pm

      Agree to that last point, the problem is that with inequality so high, Bezos and Musk have so much more power than the Mother Theresas and MLKs of our time. If Jesus were alive today, he would probably be some form of communist revolutionary, opposing oppression as best he could with the tools of a well functioning community of like-minded individuals. Not that big C communism is a good option, since it still concentrated power in the hands of the one-party state and its sure easy to abuse power when you’ve got a lot of it.
      I’m hopeful that we can deconcentrate (redistribute) power, wealth, energy in ways that allow for meaningful protection of minority rights and an overall happier, healthier web of life.

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  • Doug May 21, 2022, 8:49 pm

    I’ve heard and read a lot stock market about this supposed stock market “crash”. If you invested in GROSSLY overvalued assets like Bitcoin, or stocks like Netflix or Gamestop then yes, it’s for sure a crash. Myself I invested in stuff that bores most people to tears like stocks or ETFs that invest in banks, utilities, telecom, REITs, and uranium. These investments are down, but nowhere near 20%. I personally think this hype about the so called crash is a tempest in a teapot. I wouldn’t mind seeing a REAL crash, so I could scoop up some equities on sale, like in March 2020. Black Friday or Boxing Day sales in May, anyone?

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  • Rob from Montreal May 22, 2022, 4:37 am

    Ahhh Pete! I waited for your post on the covid crash and now you have come through again! I still remember one comment lambasting you saying that the world was coming to an end on March 2020 and stocks would plummet 50 percent. Here you are again giving many of us the confidence we already have. I have been in mutual funds and now only index funds for the last 30 years and have never sold in a crash and this one will be no different. Thanks always for your input!!

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  • Aaron Hemry May 22, 2022, 11:10 am

    Thanks! I’ve read your articles for years and am always glad when a new one pops up.
    I have a question particular to my situation for MMM or anyone else who wants to chime in.

    I’m a 47 year old contractor with a small remodeling business with five employees. My four kids are now grown. We live below our means in a nice house I built 16 years ago on 25 acres we will never leave…we love it.
    In addition, we own a beautiful 1860s log cabin/ timber frame home we spent three years and tons of money rescuing/renovating and now rent out on Airbnb.
    We are in the process of selling to our youngest daughter another home we fixed up and had previously rented out.
    We are about to sell a second house my crew and I are almost done fixing up.
    Knowing myself, I will likely buy another fixer with the money, or some more land…when the price and condition is correct… but I have also always been fascinated by the stock market.
    We do not currently own stocks or index funds, have no debt. I recently cut my workdays down to four a week, and am pretty happy with that for now.

    But, I did some math and if we sold the Airbnb with the other two houses, we’d have a chunk of cash big enough to retire me to extremely part time…like…only if I really felt like it…
    So the stock market is down and it’s time to sell the real estate and throw that into VTI, right?
    Has anyone else been in a similar situation?
    I’m a hands on guy so it seems strange to turn three houses I can see touch and feel into some numbers on a computer screen in the form of VTI…not sure if I want to do that, even if it makes sense to my math brain.
    Any other ideas with how to handle this?
    What else besides stocks or rental real estate could I do with the money to secure a 4% withdrawal rate retirement?

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    • Papa of 7 May 26, 2022, 6:18 am

      Congratulations Aaron! Sounds like you’ve done fantastically well. By specializing in what you know you’ve created a good amount of wealth for you and your family. I would think of investing in VTI (or other broad market indexes – think “the world is on sale”) as a means of diversifying your wealth. The problem with diversifying is that it works – not all things go up at the same time. Things zig and zag at different times and only in retrospect could you have chosen the best (highest returning) asset allocation. Also, remember this isn’t an all or none decision. You don’t have to sell all properties to put into an index. Diversify a bit (one property?) into broadly diversified stock indexes, continue to collect rental income, enjoy your business of fix and flip (or keep for more rentals) and sleep well knowing you’re investing in the highest and best use of your money (real estate, stocks, and business).

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      • Aaron Hemry May 26, 2022, 1:34 pm

        Thanks, Papa! I do enjoy stepping back and realizing I’ve got it pretty good.
        And I appreciate your perspective. I’ll give that some thought.
        Where do you place your trusted assets?

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        • Papa of 7 May 27, 2022, 5:33 am

          LOL! Sorry Aaron. I laugh as that’s the first I’ve heard “Thanks Papa” from anyone other than my 7 kids! Long time reader and lurker at MMM (ALL posts and comments which are often required reading and lead you on paths to explore) but first time commenting. Same age as yourself. Both my wife and I are in health care in Canada. No super retire early but full defined benefit pensions at 55 (and free health care). I consider that our bond fund. We house hacked before that was a word (bought a duplex, fixed it up, lived on one side and rented the other, continue to own and rent both sides). We purchased another rental property at a foreclosure auction, fixed it up and rent it out too. That just about killed me – more due diligence needed but worked out great in the end. Always looking for more properties. Wish I had your abilities and crew! (The Real Estate Retirement Plan by Calum Ross – Canadian is terrific). Otherwise we invest in index funds. JL Collins Simple Path to Wealth is good. I’ve always been more interested in being more broadly diversified than just one country (no matter how big and international they are ((sorry JL))). I do a mix of US/World XUS/bonds tweaked to my comfort level. Big believer in KISS. Big Larry Swedroe (The Successful Investor Today – old but timeless), and William Bernstein (Four Pillars, Intelligent Asset Allocator) fan. Careful with your first journey into this investing space – easy to go down deep into the rabbit hole. Lots of ideas and voices that can lead you to paralysis by analysis. Start slow, build comfort. Definitely start with The Simple Path and try to tune out the noise.

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  • Nava May 22, 2022, 4:06 pm

    What are your thoughts about bonds?
    JL Collins suggests having 20% in VBTLX. But it seems foolish to invest in bonds now.
    I would love to know what people are doing in regards to bonds.
    Thanks

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 26, 2022, 7:35 am

      As a quick answer, I’ve always been more of a 100% stocks (index funds) person in this modern era of very low bond yields. Simply because when I run the cFiresim calculations, an all-stock portfolio seems to outperform one containing bonds in most or all situations. Sure, it’s a bit more volatile but I don’t mind volatility at all.

      One major mitigating factor is that I keep one major chunk of savings in something that is similar to a bond: my mortgage-free house. This behaves like an inflation-protected bond which subsidizes my cost of living by providing me with free rent. Where I live, this is worth about $2500 per month which is more than the rest of my spending combined! So, this allows me to feel even better about volatility in the rest of my portfolio.

      In theory, I’d do even better by keeping my house fully mortgaged and keeping all that extra capital invested in more productive businesses in the stock market. But a mortgage is sort of like a “reverse fixed income” financial instrument, so I figured by paying off the mortgage I am adding a nice safety net fixed income component to my nest.

      But that’s just my own hippie-ish philosophy. Is anybody else reading this that has a totally different view on bonds?

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      • Lee May 27, 2022, 7:53 am

        I’ve been thinking about this view on bonds a lot lately. Nice to hear someone else with the same view. Any thoughts on rental properties now? I currently rent in a HCOL city, but would really like to set myself up in this sort of position. (80% stocks 20% real estate).

        Right now that 20% is split between bonds/cash, but this seems to be a bad idea.

        I expect to retire to a MCOL area and would like to set myself up with a property there, but prices seem crazy and it’s very difficult to decide on the exact area to do this.

        Any ideas?

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      • jlajr May 29, 2022, 9:05 pm

        My take is that bonds are also bought and sold on the open market, and are therefore subject to the same volatility as stocks, albeit possibly to a lesser extent.

        Also, as a general comment to this specific MMM blog post and all of the others, I would very much like to see you run for US President. If you do, I – a US citizen living abroad since 1997 – will vote in a US election for the first time since then. If you decide not to, we’ll just write Mr. Money Mustache in. No offense to your alter ego, but we want MMM in the Oval! Correct, everyone?

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  • J$ May 22, 2022, 4:24 pm

    *** Nods and sips on his whiskey and continues to buy ***

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  • Landon.Packrat May 22, 2022, 4:55 pm

    The best way to avoid sequence of returns risk is to just reach your retirement goal and work another two or three years. If there is a major problem after you reach your retirement goal but before you stop working, you can just keep working until you’re back on track. If there is a crash right after you start working, you’re far enough ahead that it is just going to push you back down to your retirement goal.

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  • Reason May 22, 2022, 8:55 pm

    I sense a vibe that not a lot of folks on here have held equities through truly rough times. Do you have the temperament or discipline to stay invested and continue to buy when the market goes nowhere for 5, 10, or 15 years? I don’t share this to say I know what happens next, I say it because it’s humbling to think about and it helps me set my expectations accordingly. Yes, I will continue DCA of VTV. But I need to see larger losses in the market before taking on large purchases. Why? two words: high valuations. Historically, there have been 25, 17, and 12 years where the market provides no return other than dividends. Set your expectations accordingly. I’ve read the data and the articles on “don’t time the market.” True, no one can time the market perfectly. But does that mean you should of had 100% equity exposure in December 2021? It’s also helpful to read up on the times when people ran enthusiastically into bear market rallies. “After the dot-com bubble, the Nasdaq Composite, center of the speculation, saw countertrend rallies of 22%, 24%, 37%, 18%, 22%, 30%, 47%, and 56% in 2000 and 2001. Each time it looked like the downtrend was over, and each time it wasn’t.” Invest. Have diversified sources of income. Be a contrarian. Keep expenses low. And challenge yourself to do something that very few people will actually do. Think rationally. Actually stop, think, digest a wide range of perspectives, history, and data. Use some reason.

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  • IGMR May 23, 2022, 1:15 am

    Bear market is a gift. Fortunes can be made if you just stay the course and invest.

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  • Christopher May 23, 2022, 5:53 am

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  • Lee May 23, 2022, 6:25 am

    Finally a new MMM post!

    Been awhile, glad to see you on here again!

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  • Hristo May 23, 2022, 7:04 am

    Thank you, Pete.

    I have been in a bad mood recently. Not so much because of the stock market movements but because it’s not fun being so close to a real war. Your post has helped to lift me up.

    Otherwise, I am thinking really hard how can I cope with the upcoming economic struggles. I have already follow many of your advice – I cook at home, rarely use a car (public transport rules), no bad debt and have a monthly budget. I definitely can exercise more but apart from that I do not know what I can optimize further :)

    Regarding the stock market – as Attar of Nishapur has written long time ago: “This too shall pass”.

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  • CaptainFI May 24, 2022, 9:32 pm

    Another well written article as always, MMM! Love the graphic ‘More accurate representation: “Whoa, stocks are a great long-term investment!” ‘ graphic – it really shows that over the long term, using our frugality muscles, working hard and consistently investing into low cost index funds means you can’t help but get wealthy.

    I was starting to get a bit nervy after seeing media headline after headline, and when I finally relented after a month to check my balances, it was a very minor correction, and over the last decade, the trend is a nice, stable upward movement.

    I also had never heard of the cFireSim retirement simulator before, so thank you very much for bringing this up, I’m going to suss it out right now!

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  • emcee May 26, 2022, 10:03 am

    Great post and happy to see a new MMM article.

    I’m a bit confused about the dividend part though. My understanding is that dividend payouts are just equivalent to a automatic sale of stock. If a stock pays out a dollar in dividends, the value of the stock decreases by a dollar. There’s no wealth increase, it’s just moving value around. Isn’t that the case?

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    • AllQuietOnTheWesternSlope June 21, 2022, 12:47 am

      Nope, the primary way that a dividend pay-out can impact the price of a stock is if the (quarterly) dividend amount is changed, investors will value the stock higher or lower to reflect the change. This is the key benefit and inherent value of owning stock in a company that provides a product or service, instead of owning a gold coin or especially a cyber anything.

      Dividends paid are a portion of the income the company earned, and payouts do not affect the number of shares you have, but is a set dollar amount-per-share.
      If the stock value drops and you are re-investing dividends, you’ll actually get a higher number of shares when re-investing your dividend payout.

      Stock splits are probably what you’re thinking of, you get double the shares, but each share is half-price, no change in value.

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  • TJ May 26, 2022, 10:10 pm

    I think you bring up really good points about the “value” of stocks and I really like the Bullshit Random Multiplier idea.
    I did want to be a voice in favor of China’s zero covid policy, despite it being an overreach. I think prioritizing the health of the population now is actually the Mustachian long term investment. We are just beginning to see the severity of long covid and the level of disability this will bring. China might be making the smartest decision for long-term, stable growth by prioritizing the population over production of GDP. I personally do not agree with the growth paradigm anymore, but I think prioritizing health and well being of the population through enforcing desirable behavior was the whole point of “government” anyway.
    I don’t know whether this is in line with your thinking or not but the stock market itself is a pretty uncorrelated indicator of the general wellbeing of a population. It is a good indicator of how rich a small portion of the population is, but as inequality grows so does unrest and we might be reaching the limits of inequality that our society (esp. USA) can bear without large scale redistribution/social leveling.
    I do appreciate your points that we need to be cautious of excess consumption though, and find that to be the most valuable lesson you provide on this blog. In general your best insights to me are the more philosophical than economical ones.

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  • Mark May 27, 2022, 6:38 pm

    At the start of 2022 our net wealth was spread 38% cash, 38% property (2 rentals), 24% equities. One of those 2 rental properties is actually our own home, that we have rented while travelling the world for a few years.

    As of end May 2022, our net wealth is now 40% cash, 40% property and 20% equities. Total net wealth is down about 3.3% in almost 6 months.

    I was always told that our cash at 38 to 40% since I retired (FIRED) 3 years ago was way too much. This cash also covers around 15 years of living expenses.

    I am now happy I kept what most financial planners regarded as “far too much cash”. But it is soon time to commence some deployment. However I am conservative, and my cash levels will *never* go below 5 years of living expenses. I like to sleep at night.

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  • Andreas May 28, 2022, 3:20 am

    Well,
    what is wrong with inflation if you own a house with debt on it? Debt on the house will go down relative to buying power since the money was worth more when you signed the mortage. Wages will quickly adapt. For me, they actually already did.

    Signing the mortage with a rather good fixed interest rate in a 15 year contract that now is 8 times below inflation in Germany makes me feel very safe. Since that day, I know that my money has a fixed value because every brick of the house, every beam, every piece of it now has a fixed value related to the day I bought the house. Even if the economy tanks and we would have inflation in the 10% region for a long time, I would benefit on top of the cash flow I have from the rental propery.

    Markets will go up again soon since the cash has to go somewhere, there is no other place for it to go. And if it´s not going into stocks directly, it will go into consumption which will itself crank up the markets. I´m right now forking all my money into my stock account for a lightning buy in case a good chance shows up but right now, I think there will be a slow climb of stock prices as long as the Ukraine situation exists. With a peace deal, there will be a huge bounce.
    Since I buy now, I already benefited and I´ll benefit more.

    Another good thing is the coming declining housing market in Germany, it may take two or three years, but there will be a lot of sellers who took out crazy amounts of money on a house and are basically only able to pay the interest rate. This only works as interest rates are low. Apart from that, those guys tended to make short contracts since the interest rates that were ridiculouly low then went down even further. These guys will have to sell into a market where a lot of other guys will have to sell, too. The interest rate jumped from 1,xx to 3,xx% already and will increase further.

    I calculated when I signed: For the equal of going out for three beers at a pub per month, I could write a mortage with 15 years guaranteed rate, instead of a 5 year one. What a no brainer. 14 Euros per month, including a nice tip for the waiter. With the option in the contract to fulfill 5% of the mortage per year as a special payment, I can readjust the interest rate anyhow and nullify the 14 extra Euros…

    With proper allocation holding stocks, a rental property and good debt plus a decent cushion of cash and a daytime job, everything is fine as long as money trickles in instead of out of your asset pool.

    It´s only sad for those who go from paycheck to paycheck and decided to hold no property nor stocks. And this is not only the working poor, I have coworkers who fit the description that earn twice the average wage with a well earning spouse who still have no money in their pockets. That´s what they keep talking about when they go out for lunch ;)

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  • jlajr May 29, 2022, 9:10 pm

    “What are YOU doing in response to this bear market? Are you scared, or doubling down on investing?”

    I’m not doing anything different now than I have been doing since early 2014 when I first came across MMM and other FIRE online resources.

    I’m neither scared nor doubling down.

    Than again, I take what is called Zoloft in the US. That could be moderating my feelings. ;)

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  • Christine May 30, 2022, 4:41 pm

    Was just the article I needed! Have been on the fence about retiring by the end of this year and started worrying about the continued downward trajectory of the market even though I knew it was long past due. I really appreciated the zoomed out “Age of Mustachian” graph to help put things in perspective.

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  • Gary Grewal June 3, 2022, 11:51 am

    Well, everyone has gotten so comfortable thinking they are investing geniuses, and a rising tide lifts all boats! I was in college in 2008, and the scene was much worse and profound. Stocks don’t always, and shouldn’t always go up.

    Those who are sweating from some volatility after looking at such an incredible bull market the last decade probably shouldn’t manage their own portfolio or stick to conservative investments.

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  • STBJ June 19, 2022, 4:33 pm

    The stock market is on sale. Since I have not retired I am going to remind myself it’s cyclical. My 20.35% drop in profit sharing is offset by more money being invested at a lower cost.
    Going to keep working since FIRE is not an option but am not going to get depressed unless something drastic happens. Thanks for the reassuring article.

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  • Kristoffer June 20, 2022, 4:33 am

    This is my first bear market as an investor. I haven’t invested any of my stimulus money, and I would like to invest it during this bear market. What do you suggest? More VTI index funds? ETFs? As of this moment, I am semi-retired, meaning I work less than twenty hours a week, doing something that I enjoy and gives me meaning.

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  • Kevin Martin June 20, 2022, 7:09 pm

    It’s interesting, everyone is always waiting for the market to crash so they can buy in, and then when the crash comes, many people are too scared to start investing. I see these drops as great investment opportunities. Just keep dollar cost averaging in, and avoid looking at your account if its too stressful

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  • Married to a Swabian June 27, 2022, 6:59 am

    This Warren Buffet quote comes to mind, “If you like to eat hamburgers and plan to eat them for the rest of your life, you don’t want the price of hamburgers to go up forever!”.
    I will be pulling the plug on the 9 to 5 grind in just five weeks! Thanks to MMM for helping me get and stay on track!!
    At 57, I wouldn’t call it super early retirement, but hey, I’ll take it.
    Small issue I had recently with Socking away maximum including catch up into employer plans is that I changed jobs twice during pandemic. Each company had a six month waiting period for 401k. This meant that I needed up putting about $8 $9k per month in at the end of the year and also first three months of this year, when the market was way overpriced. Oh well, it will balance out. Looking forward to bond market normalizing somewhat, as Vanguard has me in 45 bond ETFs. This will happen over next year or two with rates headed up and up.

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  • Max July 16, 2022, 5:02 am

    Hi MMM,
    I‘m a big fan for years and it was you, that gave me the final push to start my FIRE journey.
    Thank you very much!

    As my interest in money and economy evolved, I also stumbled across money theories – how inflating money is changing peoples mind, the economy, companies, products… How central institutions are trying their best to keep everything calm.
    As we can see, the result is an unfair overheating world, which awards everyone in dept and punishes savers. Not only if the inflation tops the economy growth it is taking away the ability to save and pushes everyone, who can afford it, to invest in shares & houses to save their ass.

    Money should flow and work. I get that. But what if I don‘t want to buy anyones house „away“ and lift the price with that? What if I don‘t want to invest/risk my money in shares and index funds which greed for profits I basically oppose.

    For me it is really clear, that the system now is far away from perfect. Basically, everyone needs to stay in the wheel to run from inflation. Many work in jobs which were not created by the market but by the will of central institutions (e.g. politics)- shitty jobs to create shitty stuff which people buy because shitty inflating money urges you to not keep it. If you are at the top of the money supply chain, you will be awarded and the rest is trying to survive.

    I cannot understand your view on sound money like Bitcoin. It is not about anarchy; it is not about speculation! Bitcoin is not „Crypto“! It is a global network without a centrally awarded individual. Bitcoin is a modern alternative to known money and is not an investment – but a saving vehicle. An alternative challenging unfairness and urges people to think long-term.

    Personally I‘m supporting a strong state which keeps the market and the „living together“ in order. But why is this not possible with saving but must inflate the circulating money? Why do we live now like kings and moneyprint away every crisis on the back of the future, the planet earth, my children and basically everyone who is not in dept?

    To proceed in life everyone needs an open mind. If there is an alternative, you should not repeat the common FUD (anarchy, energy, criminals, Ponzi, unfair distribution) without trying to understand the basics. Lift your blinkers and you will see that Bitcoin is not only here to support individuals, but everyone on planet earth.
    Fix the Money, Fix the World!

    You support me and your community to think long-term, live a basic life, safe for a better future. With Bitcoin your mindset will be applied to everyone by itself.

    Thank you again for your great work!
    Best wishes from Austria!
    Max

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    • Mr. Money Mustache July 16, 2022, 11:13 am

      Sure, I think we should all be open to the idea of innovation and open discussion in how we run all of our institutions, including the monetary system. However, if this were going to happen it would be:

      – subject to lots of boring, highly technical design work rather than one mysterious individual dropping a white paper which turns into a worldwide religion. This would mean that competing blockchain algorithms are judged on their merits (most notably transaction speed and energy consumption per transaction), with no emotional attachment to the original beta effort (Bitcoin). We should be happy to move on and iterate if we want to eventually develop a usable transaction network.

      – NOT subject to any sort of religious fanaticism or unrealistic beliefs of how it will fix problems. Every new policy is just an experiment, and most don’t work. But we still try them frequently in order to push through lots of failures in exchange for learning and finding a few successes. So a healthy attitude towards a new digital currency would be, “This probably won’t work, but I am open to participating in the experiment to help us all gather more data.”

      – not considered a “get rich quick investment” by ANYONE – the majority of people interested in cryptocoins (Bitcoin included) are in it because they expect larger-than-stock-market returns. Which is impossible by design: the only way to make money from crypto is to eventually sell it to someone else for more than you paid (even if you were could hypothetically buy a house in the future directly with some bitcoin, you are asking the builder to trade a larger value of housing than the value of the coin you purchased to begin with). Thus, for crypto coins to have any promise for currency, there should be virtually nobody interested in holding them for a long time – because it is foolish to hold any asset in an unproductive form for a long time. This would be like buying a house but insisting on leaving it empty and refusing to rent it out because it’s your “store of value”. Or buying a farm but covering the land in black plastic so it couldn’t produce any crops.

      So yes, we should all be open to new ideas – but this pretty much rules out the concept of thinking Bitcoin is any better than newer blockchain algorithms.

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  • Francesco Magli July 20, 2022, 8:36 am

    I agree with the article. I’m full stock invested (and I’m in very high profit) but I’m very happy about this decline: 1) my stocks have a lot of liquidity to buy-back or to buy others stochs and the low price is very helpfull (for ex.: Brk has more than 106 billions of cash, Google has a buy-back plan, Apple has a lot of cash….. and it is important remember that buyback is free tax!) 2) I can invest more money with my future cash and eventualy with loan (but only if we’ll have more decline). So I hope in other crash (another 20% it would be perfect).

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