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Retired Man Tries to Spend More Money, Mostly Fails

A couple of years ago, Mr. Money Mustache lost some credibility among the faithful when he wrote this blog post about actually trying to spend a bit more money, while buying a Tesla as the first step in that program. 

Look at me!”, 

I thought to myself at the time, 

I’m such an enlightened middle-aged Badass, adjusting habits and realigning myself at the snap of my fingers. Onward to the next forty eight years of the Good Life!

So, two years passed with an even greater feeling of abundance. I had a marvelous time traveling everywhere and spending money like I thought a proper wealthy person would do.

 I dined out in stylish restaurants, booked hotels based on their niceness rather than their cheapness, paid extra to sit in the “reduced torture” seats of the airplanes, and gave zero fucks about paying double for groceries if I happened to be in a Whole Foods rather than my usual Sam’s Club and Costco (and yes I treat myself to memberships at both warehouse stores!)

Among the highlights, my son and I have worked our way though a nice selection of late night EDM concerts and three Meowwolf art venues including a Christmas Day road trip from our winter home in Tempe Arizona to Las Vegas last year. And having spent much of the year as a single man, I had a wide open schedule to just meet up with friends, explore new places and meet new people as opportunities came up. It felt like a year of adventurous transition, which means it felt like much more than twelve months.

With all this flashy spending, I was sure my budget must have crept back into full American Consumer territory. But I was having too much fun to bother adding it all up to check. 

Until recently, when I was doing another round of informal coaching for a friend and we both decided to tally our spending for the past year to compare notes.

When I finally finished sorting all of those transactions into a spreadsheet and hit the “sum” button, the results surprised me.

While my overall spending had indeed increased (especially in travel-related categories), the big-picture effect was still pretty minimal. Depending on how I account for things like the car and my business expenses, my spending went from $20,000 to about $30,000 (plus the usual hidden subsidy of a paid-off house.)

This level could still be sustained by a $1 million investment nest egg. Since my investments are quite a bit higher than that (especially after these recent years of crazy economic growth and the never-ending stock market rally), I’m still way under budget.

Although I still “failed” to really increase my spending to the MMM-recommended levels for old wealthy people, this still makes me happy, because I have genuinely had more fun with the abundance mindset, and I can keep trying more life experiments in the coming years. 

As we covered in the 2019 article on the idea of an Optimization Council, it’s always a good idea to compare our spending, tips and tricks on how to get the most out of life. Almost twenty years into early retirement, this is where I have landed so far, although I’m always learning and open to feedback.

Anyway, let’s cut the wistful commentary and get into the budget.

CategoryFrom Personal CardFrom Business CardTotalDetails
Groceries$5,465.56$494.83$5,960.39For me + young adult son about half the time + guests
Restaurants$2,145.11$98.48$2,243.59Restaurants only for special fun rather than just getting food
Travel$3,982.00$2,176.77$6,158.77Business travel is for things like Camp Fi and other fun conferences
Utilities$1,909.510$1,909.51
Amazon/House$949.64$2,604.46$3,554.10About 75% of business is actually construction materials for clients (usually friends) which were reimbursed via invoice
Booze$250.670$250.67Wine and other beverages for entertaining.
Healthcare$813.20$2,723.46$3,536.66This is cheap thanks to Sedera Health Sharing plus a Direct primary care (DPC subscription)
Also paid for some advanced blood tests just for screening and learning purposes.
Automobile$2,191.68$233.53$2,425.21This is just car insurance and registration. We could add a “depreciation” figure in here to be more accurate.
Phone+Internet$1,410.561410.56$50 Gigabit Internet (!) and about $25-30 for my monthly for Google Fi bill + tax
Property Taxes$2,577.30$2,577.30Surprisingly reasonable given the $500-600k value of houses in my neighborhood.
Total$20,284.67$9,742.09$30,026.76

In summary: Wow, how interesting! When we compare this to my 2019 post on that year’s spending, it’s only a bit higher even after all the inflation we have seen in recent years. I spent more on travel and fun, but less on home renovation – partly because I was away so much I didn’t have as much time to work on my house. The health insurance is a new cost too since I was self-insured back then.

The Biggest Savings:

My budget is notably missing the biggest expense for most people, which is housing costs. This is because I paid off my house long ago, and I also love working on and taking care of my own home, which means there are no bills for lawn mowing, plumbers, tree pruning or handyman services. 

This strategy is not for everyone, and it’s not even the optimum financial one for me – I would have been better off taking out the biggest mortgage I could get at 3% back in the sweet borrowing times of 2021, and putting all that principal to work in stock index funds where it would have almost doubled since then. But I still get a great peace of mind from just having no mortgage payment, and there’s really no better way to use your money than to buy such good feelings. Also, I get a secondary benefit of not having to buy house insurance, which saves me another $2000 per year, boosting my effective return on that payoff.

What about Health Insurance?

First of all, the biggest money saving factor of good health and good luck has continued, meaning I’ve still had no actual medical expenses. But I still do maintain two layers of health care support which together feel very much like the ultimate version of health insurance: a membership with a top of the line Direct Primary Care (DPC) medical clinic ($107 per month) plus a high-deductible plan ($201) with a health sharing organization called Sedera

The combined cost of $308 per month is less than the cheapest Bronze plan in the field of standard health insurance, yet I get personalized support with zero deductible for almost all typical medical needs, plus some protection from larger medical bills if my good luck runs out.

But as a disclaimer, I’m not an expert on medical needs and health insurance because I’ve had so little experience with the system. And the highest priority in my life is arranging my days for maximum health to give me the best chance of keeping it this way.

How could I do better?

When it comes down to it, money is a tool for survival and if we’re lucky, self actualization. So I’m always asking myself if there’s anything I can change or improve to make the most of this good fortune. 

I also try to keep in mind an interesting principle of happiness, which says that, 

Fixing your persistent problems is more effective than just doubling down on things that are already good in your life. 

For me, there are already a lot of good things which don’t need improving. My family, friends, relationships, health, food and daily activities are pretty much as good as I could imagine. 

The only annoyance I can think of is physical chaos: I have a lot of space-intensive hobbies like construction and music, and I currently live in a pretty small house which is basically maxed out.  I could really use a doubling of my workshop space from the current 2-car, 440 square foot garage to maybe a thousand or so. 

But I also love where I live and wouldn’t want to give up my views, neighbors or current place. So I’ll keep optimizing what I’ve got unless some perfect opportunity comes up for a bigger place right on my block.

My future “Friends Mountain Resort” is just an AI generated image…. for now!

In the longer run, a mountain compound with its own cliffs and stream are also on my “maybe” list. But once again, my days and life are already overbooked with joyful things. My existing house and our HQ Coworking space already have long to-do lists. Would I actually be happier if I added another place to my portfolio? So I keep this idea on the shelf until I’m willing to trade it for another existing commitment – like selling my house or the coworking space.

But for now, I’m just extremely excited to blaze into 2025 with loads abundance and piles of challenging stuff on my to-do list. And I wish you the same!

In the Comments: Where are you at on this spectrum of stinginess versus abundance mentality, and fulfilment versus longing in life?

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  • The Orchard January 16, 2025, 3:50 pm

    I appreciate the decision to list your business spending along with your personal spending in the expense report. That’s a nice touch of transparency.

    Out of curiosity, what was the cost of living in Culdesac for the winter? Did you pay rent there, or how did that work?

    I like the idea of a mountain compound for friends and family. I’ve seen news stories about entire villages, in beautiful parts of the world, that are putting themselves up for sale at shockingly cheap prices. Every time I read one of those stories, it makes me dream about what’s possible. There aren’t many jobs in those places, which is why they’re emptying out… but of course a community of FIREd people wouldn’t have to worry about that.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 16, 2025, 8:32 pm

      Great question.. the Culdesac add-on didn’t cost much at all since I had arranged discounted rent in exchange for some help with helping them build up their community, running some events, etc. But my travel back and forth between AZ and CO definitely showed up in the budget.

      In fact, the old MMM would have rented out my house while I was gone (https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/08/05/making-money-while-taking-vacations/), but nowadays it isn’t worth the trouble, especially given that I like to have the option of popping back home to say hi to everyone here.

      I also see some of those tempting listings, many right here in the US! With things like remote work, Starlink internet, and super abundant and cheap solar+battery energy systems, any piece of land can become a home much more easily these days.

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  • Jay January 16, 2025, 3:50 pm

    Can’t believe how low your groceries costs are, that would be impossible in Canada. Maybe Canada should become the 51st state.

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    • Stephen January 16, 2025, 8:33 pm

      I live in Whistler BC. My groceries for 2024 were $2872.30 CAD, and my eating out costs were $2158.09 CAD. However I don’t have kids so those costs are just for me. I shop at Independent usually, and sometimes buy dried goods at Walmart. I also include things such an shower gel/tooth paste/laundry detergent etc within my grocery costs.

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      • Michael January 19, 2025, 8:22 am

        Maybe Aldi will finally land in Canada (and do better than Target did).

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 16, 2025, 8:34 pm

      Yeah, as a frequent visitor to Canada I hear you on the grocery prices. However, Costco still has stores there and there’s a huge difference between their prices and regular Canadian ripoff joints like the Loblaw’s chain.

      Any Canadian with non-infinite money should consider shifting most of their grocery business to Costco – it’s probably about a $3000-5000/year difference for a family of four!

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      • Maddy January 16, 2025, 9:17 pm

        I really don’t think so. I buy groceries for a family of 7 and i am amazed at how expensive Costco has become. Few things are cheaper than buying on special from grocery stores, and Costco just became this picture of consumerism to me. It is busy at any time of day any day of the week, most people buying carts full of junk they don’t need. A real disappointment to me. I still go about once every two months for certain things, but it takes tremendous discipline to buy only what you need and it’s very easy to overspend as prices are high, and quantities large. Maybe it is different in the US, Canadians these days seem to have unlimited financial means and no problem overpaying for anything.

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        • K D January 17, 2025, 10:24 am

          I feel the same way about Costco. You articulated the situation well. I live the Mid-Atlantic region of the US.

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        • Steve January 17, 2025, 12:22 pm

          I have so many friends and family that spend an absurd amount at Costco. It tricks them into thinking they are saving money while in actuality they are spending far more on groceries than is necessary. People don’t need to save money to be happy with their approach, but it sure helps if they THINK they are saving money. I think you nailed it by describing the discipline required for it to really work.

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        • Travis January 23, 2025, 11:08 am

          I totally agree. I experimented with Costo in Colorado and North Carolina and I found that it was not worth it. They carry some items that do cost significantly less than anywhere else (motor oil and protein powder to name two big ones) it did not make up for the expense of other items. I find much better deals at Aldi, Whole Foods (surprisingly the cheapest place I have found for flour and olive oil) and my local grocery store. Too many people blindly think Costco is an amazing deal.

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        • TWoK January 23, 2025, 2:51 pm

          The thing about going to Costco is you have to stay disciplined. If you just shop wildly instead of using and sticking to a list you’ll walk out with $400+ bills each time. I find them reasonably-priced on some things and much higher on others. I’m in Japan, but Costco is pretty much the same everywhere.

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      • BullMuscle January 16, 2025, 9:18 pm

        I feel ya here. Hawai’i grocery costs are very, very high as well. Costco is an absolute lifesaver — in fact, the single busiest one in the world is in the Iwilei neighborhood here in Honolulu!

        A good one I like to do, since I don’t own a car, is offer my Costco membership up for anyone who doesn’t have one but is willing to pick me up and drop me off with groceries. I pay for their things and mine, and then they’ll just toss me the money back with venmo/cashapp/zelle or just plain cash.

        If any Canadians are in the house and really strapped for cash, I recommend this as a frugal, carpool-esque solution!

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      • Ilona January 18, 2025, 7:46 am

        Agree. Canadian who shops at Costco in Ontario, Canada. I make a list. I check my stock at home. I don’t duplicate stock. Costco usually has one fruit or one vegetable on sale each week. Fresh or frozen. We buy the sale fruits and vegetables. Costco usually has a protein on sale each week. Fresh or frozen. We by the sale protein: chicken, beef, fish, tofu. Certain times of the year, we stock up on organic soup, canned salmon, frozen salmon. These go on sale at Costco, one to four times per year. Kirkland Signature frozen salmon goes on sale once or twice per year. Costco matches the price of milk when the other grocery stores have a sale on milk. They don’t advertise it. We have done this about 6 times in 2024. We stock up on milk when this happens. Costco has clearance groceries. Ends in 97 pricing. We stock up on clearance groceries at that time. Nothing wrong with the groceries. Either Costco is getting a new supplier of the same product or they are changing the packaging. I see people buying at Costco paying regular price. We strategically wait for Costco sales and Costco clearance. We eat well and buying very little junk food. We shop when the warehouse has the least amount of people. We ask the employees when it is least busiest. And at Christmas, Costco opens at 8 am. For about 2 weeks. No crowds. I wish I worked at Costco, so I could get the employee discount on the stock. lol.

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        • Michael Armbruster February 11, 2025, 3:25 pm

          What made me quit Costco: the way they constantly rearrange their layout, making it impossible to efficiently zip through the store and hit only the aisles with the things I know I need. Whether this is a strategy on their part or just some crazy form of inventory management, it’s highly annoying. I stick with Aldi, which has almost everything I need in reasonable quantities, in a floor plan I can get through in a tenth the time of Costco.

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    • Mary January 16, 2025, 9:47 pm

      An absolute No Thanks to this nonsense 51st state idea floating around on the internet for many important reasons which aren’t related to groceries. That being said, as Canadian and occasional traveller to the US, my family always struggles to find healthy groceries at a reasonable cost compared to what we have at home. Junk food is cheap so people shouldn’t compare apples to oranges (or apples to big bags of Walmart candy for the same price). But I think the purpose of MMM’s new post was to generate conversation about the topic stinginess vs abundance. I don’t presume to fully understand all the facets of his life, but it seems to me that he has practiced frugality (not stinginess) wherever possible, both past and present, and is now enjoying the fruits of his labour and wise decision making. Good for you Pete! I hope you enjoy all your purchases, both big and small without needing to justify anything . You seem to spend on things which are well thought out and clearly in your budget. You haven’t lost any credibility with long time readers like me.

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      • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 4:14 pm

        Aww shucks, thanks Mary!

        One thing I should add after reading this mini debate around groceries, is that not all groceries are created equal! Even if everyone is shopping at Costco.

        If you’re buying the fancy pre-packaged stuff with colored boxes and pictures of full meals on them from the fridge and freezer aisles, then yes you can spend as much as you want on groceries.

        I usually stick to the raw ingredients in the produce, dairy (eggs), and meat sections and prefer to make my own meals – for health reasons but it’s also cheaper.

        On top of that: olive oil as part of every meal because it’s healthy and has a lot of good calories, and NUTS of all types make up about a quarter of my calories these days (due to my patented ultra-dense “breakfast bars” that I eat with my coffee every morning)

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        • Jose Casanova January 18, 2025, 9:52 am

          Sounds like the protein bars are home made? If so, would you be open to share your recipe? I’m tired of buying and eating those highly processed protein bars! Thanks in advance!!

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        • Ryan January 18, 2025, 12:07 pm

          I would be interested in that breakfast bar recipe if you’re willing to give up the patent.

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        • Mars January 19, 2025, 9:18 am

          At risk of this being a potentially silly ask – MMM I would really love to see an example grocery list from you! For a couple years my partner and I were really strict on groceries and wouldn’t buy extra ingredients you could get outside of Costco, wouldn’t spend on seasonings and the occasional pepper or whatnot (not in bulk) and I felt like I had lost all joy in food. Now we eat out max twice per month and buy some additional ingredients to add pizzaz to (healthy) recipes and I feel like our grocery bill has exploded. So each month I try to figure out how to trim it without losing food joy and variety, but I mostly am failing.

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        • Kyla January 20, 2025, 7:20 am

          MMM, please do share your breakfast bar “recipe”. I’m always looking for different healthy things to try!

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  • Joe Ansible January 16, 2025, 4:15 pm

    Thanks for sharing your budget again. I’m also in the stage of trying to increase spending in the areas I care about, and I also always find myself surprised at how little I actually spent when doing my end of year budget. Even when I’ve done a handful of amazing things throughout the year. I’m curious, how did you account for the following categories: clothing, general shopping(house stuff, new toys), and gifts to others? Do you account for child costs separately as well?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 16, 2025, 8:37 pm

      It’s all in there – Amazon and Costco/Sam’s both have clothes and household stuff so I find I don’t really need to hit the regular retail stores at all.

      Except for the odd Eagle-themed item from Hobby Lobby and of course the THRIFT SHOP if I’m looking for some pimpin vintage threads!

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    • Mathias January 17, 2025, 4:14 am

      Here also trying to spend some more after the years of saving.

      My trick is to consider 0,3% of my stash each month as money that can be spend freely on al the things I need and want (food, transport, vacation, entertainment,…)

      It is still an exercise but is going well.

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  • CowboyAndIndian January 16, 2025, 4:26 pm

    MMM, glad to see an article from you. Wow, you have managed to keep the spending low.

    Would love to see more building articles from you.

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  • Tim January 16, 2025, 5:28 pm

    Very cool! To make it more relatable for a lot of people would be nice to see extra rows on the bottom with the assumption of a mortgage and homeowners insurance, as well as your best guesstimate of how much of the Amazon/House line item was reimbursed and not actually a cost of yours, I saw the 75% estimate, but just trying to make it a little closer to your reality and others.

    You should watch some tiny home and sailboat videos to get some inspiration on how to optimize your space a bit more and get more out of it.

    I could use a lot more of an abundance perspective, I’m pretty stingy as I work towards FI, emphasis on the “independence” part for me. I feel pretty fulfilled and fortunate for the most part, but definitely have some pangs of longing, since my space isn’t so optimized for what I want to do with a large portion of my time, which is wrench and create in a garage of my own, since where I live is pretty extreme and I can’t work outside for a large portion of the day and year.

    HNY!

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  • PitttsburghDad January 16, 2025, 5:48 pm

    Hi MMM

    Thank you for this budget. I am new to trying to manage my expenses frugally and I just can’t seem to get my budget anywhere near the range of yours. As a result i feel like I’m on a treadmill. I am thinking I need to completely restructure my life – and it’s quite scary. Kids changing school, downsize home, etc. I might need some advice on how to switch gears…

    Thanks

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 16, 2025, 8:40 pm

      Good luck PD!

      Yeah I know it can seem daunting at first, but it’s not a contest to try to be like me or anyone else.

      I just publish my own categories to help share ideas about things that work for me, and to serve as a starting point for questions or conversations about new ways to approach things.

      You don’t necessarily need to restructure your life if it’s bringing you happiness and satisfaction, even if you’re not saving much money right now. Because there will be time for that later.

      On the other hand, if it feels like a rat race with too much running around and not enough free time for creativity and being healthy, then YES by all means start making some major changes.

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  • BullMuscle January 16, 2025, 6:13 pm

    Ah… It’s been so many years since I started out here as a fresh eyed college student… Here I am, just about to make the jump into my 30s, and would you look at that, I have enough to retire myself now because I decided to become and remain a Mustachian!

    Having moved out to Hawai’i, my expenses rose too last year, but they’re still far lower than average and I have a sneaking suspicion as I continue optimizing my life situation here, they’ll start to fall again, all while I enjoy endless hikes and beach days between the last remaining years at my day job and the side-hobby of runway modeling (speaking of unexpected serendipity…) that I have picked up since I moved here from a much lower cost but also slightly dull part of the country.

    Was able to give up alcohol last year, crush a ton of weightlifting PRs, and chisel out the six pack. Now the fun *really* gets going here. I reckon I’ll probably do what MMM did in year 8 if modeling gets going a bit more after I travel to New York and Manila this year and negotiate for fewer hours (or, failing that, just take unpaid time off).

    Thanks for all the help over the years, MMM. Keep going. Keep inspiring us all. And if you fancy a little vacay out here, drop me a line. Ain’t got any carpentourism for you to do though, housing prices out here are truly bonkers so I’ll keep renting!

    Mahalo nui,
    BullMuscle

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    • BullMuscle January 16, 2025, 6:53 pm

      I should add to this — regarding the spectrum of stinginess vs.abundance, I find that as I get older, I want less and less in the way of actual *things*. The things I really want are largely either free or immaterial (i.e., time). I get a lot of pressure from peers and even family to open up the purse-strings a bit more, but I genuinely am happier with basic, home-cooked food that I can control the macros on after a day at the beach or a day hiking than something more extravagant.

      My peers consider me stingy (though I’d love to bet with ’em on who puts more into charity per year), and yet I’ve never felt more blessed with abundance. I long for nothing, and fulfilled certainly seems like a solid adjective to describe my life.

      “Hiking is free.” The more I examine that statement, the more I find multiple meanings of it to be true. :-)

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      • Dan January 16, 2025, 9:42 pm

        The home cooked food thing connected with me. I’m retired going on 5 years. After retirement , I suffered from gout. This was puzzling at the time. I didn’t think I was eating wrong. I wasn’t a heavy drinker and didn’t even eat a whole lot of meat. I began to listen to books on nutrition while I walked. What an eye opener! I learned about processed food. I learned about sugar. I read fructose can cause gout. I learned how the food industry manipulates the government and what they advise you to eat. I learned that carbs become sugar in the body. Yeh – Home cooked food may save you money and add years to your life. Have a good one.

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  • Kiry C January 16, 2025, 8:34 pm

    Always good to see a MMM post! Thanks for the update on your adventures and budget. Happy you are content and living life well.

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  • Taylor January 16, 2025, 8:42 pm

    Hey maybe you’ve mentioned this in previous posts and I missed it but what are your feelings regarding Tesla ownership these days given Elon Musk’s politics? I do feel like there is some irony in recommending a model y and or model 3 given that Musk is in large part responsible for the disappearance of the tax credits, which surely will inhibit competition and adoption of less carbon intensive transportation.

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    • Jimmy Tudor January 17, 2025, 6:30 pm

      This is an interesting question. He’s not just responsible for the elimination of tax credits but has pushed the entire electorate towards the right with a misinformation campaign and 100+ million dollars spent. Unfortunately, the right is not currently interested in societal health and happiness and other priorities of mine. For these reasons I cannot in good conscience consider a Tesla no matter the deal.

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      • Colton January 26, 2025, 9:01 am

        MMM used to say this was a climate change blog disguised as a money blog… Now his favorite person in the world fo Historyr the last several years (read MMM’s Twitter) did a Nazi salute, spread Nazi conspiracy theories, bankrolled the drill baby drill president who is pulling out of the Paris climate agreement and ending EV credits, and the best MMM can say about this is… Buy a Tesla as soon as you can! Buy now buy now!

        Downright horrifying. I wonder if MMM even cares at all about climate change anymore?

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        • Mr. Money Mustache January 26, 2025, 3:14 pm

          Jesus Christ Colton! May I suggest that you stop reading the daily political news and relax a little bit.

          Yes, Elon is a very neurodivergent and driven person, which in simpler terms means he seems like an asshole to many of us. And while I don’t aree with his behavior or tactics, I see his switch to backing the US Republicans as a calculated move to reduce government interference in the business of Tesla and SpaceX. Just as his calculated pandering to the Chinese government allows Tesla to sell millions of cars into its largest market AND leak all of Tesla’s technology to the industry there, which has had a dramatic and positive result (they have hundreds of EV companies cranking out good, cheap, clean cars and have already displaced over 50% of fossil fuel car sales there)

          I suspect that neither of us know Elon very well in person, but if you read the books and interviews about him you get a lot more of the inside perspective, which is more nuanced than the shit you see in the news, which very definitely hates him. “OMG he made a gesture with his arm extended straight !!!HE MUST BE A NAZI!!!”

          And, Elon aside, I wholeheartedly support Tesla as a company. Not only do they make the best value electric cars available in the US by a large margin, they are also the world’s largest producer of grid-scale battery storage devices (the Megapack product series) which are *the* keystone in making solar energy function as a 24/7 power source, allowing us to shut down the rest of our coal and gas power plants.

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          • Johan February 12, 2025, 11:52 pm

            This is a disappointing remark about a person who is literally planning out a coup of our government. More subsidies and government handouts for the rich while long time federal employees are being forced to leave their jobs. “Reduce government interference” means less clean air, clean water and protection for vulnerable workers.

            Your comment about his gesture is like a headline from the MSM who glossed over it conveniently. You don’t do something like that three times in a row if it was just a “gesture”.

            As far as Teslas, they are actually the deadliest cars in the market.
            https://jalopnik.com/teslas-are-the-most-fatal-cars-on-the-road-study-finds-1851700691

            I know you are one to avoid the news but I sincerely recommend at least following independent media and journalists who are on the ground and giving voice to the workers who will be suffering the most from this fallout.
            https://www.thehandbasket.co/

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            • Ryan W February 13, 2025, 1:37 pm

              MMM has always had an astonishing blind spot for Musk and Tesla, going back all the way to the beginning of this blog. Musk is a con man and even though that’s been clear for anyone with eyes for about a decade now, MMM has fallen for the con so hard that he can never admit he was wrong. For someome who is usually so fact-driven, it’s always surprising how MMM just overlooks any negative thing about Musk or his companies. To hand-wave away Musk’s outright racism as “neurodivergence” is frankly insulting to neurodivergent people everywhere who don’t find it necessary to resort to Nazism to get through life.
              This isn’t a case of me watching liberal news and getting a biased, anti-Musk agenda. Just look at Musk’s own Twitter account where he regularly spews vile, racist shit: “AfD is the only hope for Germany” (the AfD is a neo-Nazi German party). In response to a post claiming Jews are “flooding” our country with “hordes of minorities,” Elon replied, “You have said the actual truth.” There is no excusing this, but I think we’re just gonna have to live with the fact that MMM will continue to make excuses for Elon, no matter what vile thing he says or does next. Extremely disappointing.

            • Mr. Money Mustache February 14, 2025, 7:34 am

              Although we’re getting pretty far off the topic of this blog post, I just wanted to chime in to say I *do* see all the bad stuff Elon is saying and doing.

              I think he is fundamentally too different from the average human to be anything but destructive when it comes to social and political issues. And I’m kind of shocked that so many good people are still willing to work at his companies (several of my friends included). The current backlash against his behavior is well deserved and probably our best hope at sending a market signal for him to chill out. Although ironically, the same blindness that got him here, seems to be fueling his denial that there is even a problem.

              But I think it’s still a big stretch to connect him to Hitler, racism, or any desire to return to an actual Nazi regime. And I’m also able to separate the technology of the products his companies produce (far superior electric cars, energy storage, rockets and satellite internet access) from his admittedly fucked up and power crazed personality. New evidence pours in every day which of course should cause all of us to reevaluate our positions on everything, Elon included.

              Nobody reading this probably knows the real story (to know it you would have to be a close friend of Elon, not just a news reader). But just for fun I’ll put my current theory: I think he *thinks* he knows what is best for the world, very rarely realizes when he is wrong, and has zero patience for dissenting opinions. And he has found that right wing politicians are more malleable to let him have his way with the world. So he is pandering to them in order to clear the way for his own vision of solving some problems.

              He isn’t racist but *IS* anti-transgender because one of his children transitioned and said “Fuck you Dad”, which hurt his feelings and he responded with rage and revenge, basically the worst parenting fail anyone could possibly do. With my Dad job being the main priority in my life and the main reason I retired in 2005, this was the biggest sign to me that he’s quite an emotionally broken man.

              But back to right-wing politics: I also think this is a very naive way to approach governing the planet (it’s just the tired and true Dictator playbook). And I wish he’d just focus on great engineering and bending a few rules like just expanding the factories without waiting for the building permit.

              Also, @johan your comment is the perfect example of what happens when you skim biased news articles and use that to form your opinion.
              Jalopnik has always hated EVs in general and especially Tesla and published mostly misinformation on the company’s cars.

              The article you reference is not even as bad as others they’ve put out, at least they buried this comment near the end:
              “What this tells us is that Tesla’s cars are probably as safe as anyone else’s, but their owners tend to drive like goons”
              But if you click through to the iseecars’s already-dubious chart, you see that the Model Y still ranks better than the Honda CR-V hybrid, the official sleepy SUV of today’s suburban elementary school teacher.

              And meanwhile the Model Y is generally considered one of the safest cars on the market due to both crash safety and crash avoidance – if all other factors are equal. And of course when you’re evaluating the crash safety of a car for yourself, you don’t care about the aggregate behavior of other drivers who happen to own that car, you only care about the physical properties of the car itself.

              https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-y-4-door-suv/2024
              https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2024/TESLA/MODEL%252520Y%252520(All%252520Variants)/SUV/AWD

              But wait! When you dig deeper, even that iseecars article was a complete piece of clickbait bullshit! If you look into the details further, it is based on a spreadsheet error where they used the wrong denominator (miles driven for model Y)
              https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1gyznda/tesla_model_y_fatality_rates_exaggerated_in/
              https://x.com/larsmoravy/status/1860100416819855492?s=46&t=zFWgbwSaBg4hfDSOnTly_g

              The lesson in all this: if you do want to learn about the world, you need to completely ignore news headlines and go straight to the official data, preferably from .gov or .edu sources. You need to make your own spreadsheet and understand the field before you share your opinion. And then when you DO share your opinion, it needs to be in the form of numbers rather than emotions, accusations and labels.

              Okay I’m REALLY done with talking about news and politics now!

          • NotJesus February 13, 2025, 8:58 am

            Jesus Christ Colton(JCC) and other awakening zombies. It is hard to live a FIRE life without seeing the absurdity of or rationality to the purchase of something you don’t need that contributes to the decrepitness of our world. Too much to enumerate. Don’t get me wrong, I feel like I’ve found cockaigne in spirit and in mind due to my FIRE life, but like JCC, do we really need to feed into the purses of these assholes? I say no to buying or using a Tesla, Facebook, X, Amazon and so much/many more. Not purchasing is a perfectly reasonable act of defiance, good for my peace-of-mind and true to the whole fire thing.

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  • Lance January 16, 2025, 8:55 pm

    Been a while since I’ve read MMM, and I have to say, I am really pleased to see you trying this abundance approach. Especially because it didn’t end up hurting the finances the way you thought it might. Spending more doesn’t always equal more happiness or enjoyment, but when it’s purposefully chosen on things that matter, it can be well worth it! Thanks for always being so transparent and open. Your posts drove a lot of my interest in FI during my college years.

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  • Devin January 16, 2025, 8:57 pm

    Any resolutions for more posts, YouTube videos, or podcast appearances this year 🙃? It’s good to see an article pop up.

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  • The Cheap Swede January 16, 2025, 9:06 pm

    I’m glad to see you are insuring yourself these days. I’ve been self employed for thirty years in construction and have had to provide for my own health insurance (and for my small family, when applicable).
    I had never used it because I was fit and strong and generally lucky, until recently when I needed a joint replacement ($60k). For reference, I am in my late fifties, but am paying the price for the physical abuse of my youth! But it’s all good, plenty of time to re-hab my body for the next round of life.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:53 am

      I love the attitude CS!

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    • TallGirl February 9, 2025, 12:39 am

      Seriously, you good people in the US are being absolutely scammed by your healthcare providers. A private hospital hip replacement in the UK costs about £16,000 and in countries like Germany and Holland – both fantastic healthcare providers – it’s cheaper. So, maybe consider a trip abroad for something like this (I know MMM has previously mentioned considering Mexico) Also, whatever you can do politically to stop shareholders profiting from your healthcare, you need to get on that case.

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  • Liz January 16, 2025, 9:18 pm

    I was curious if you’d share your thoughts about going without homeowners insurance. Our home is almost paid for and I want to consider removing it when paid for. I’m worried about the liability aspect of it more than the home replacement cost since we live in a litigious society. Are you concerned about the liability aspect of being uninsured, or not at all?

    Thanks

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    • Mark Carlson January 18, 2025, 7:02 am

      Same question, my budget looks like his but for home insurance, health insurance and property tax. He pays very little for these things and I’m paying close to 20k.

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    • Ilona January 18, 2025, 7:54 am

      About homeowners’s insurance. My neighbour’s garage is connected to ours. Designed that way. The rest of the house is separate. They had a major problem requiring a restoration company. 3 months work. We were unaffected. But, I am glad we had insurance in the event their insurance could not cover our costs due to their negligence, and our insurance would kick in. The other neighbour, oh my. Started an open air fire beside our shared wooden fence. In January. And it was windy. Good think someone called the fire department. They fire department yelled and threatened to fine that neighbour, and reminded them about open air fire bylaws. Our property taxes are like Mr Money Mustache’s property tax. We shop for car and house insurance yearly. We ask our current company to match and they do. If they they don’t we say goodbye.

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  • deep January 16, 2025, 9:29 pm

    Hi MMM,
    I am from india and a software engineer like you.
    I started working in 2016 and inherently i felt like you write in your blogs, so it was a breath of fresh air when i first got to know about you with the youtube video https://youtu.be/RyF40JydVNU?si=L_D76CVSdxSWmcXD in 2017. It made me feel like i am not alone who thinks like this about money.
    I have been a reader of your blog for the last 2 years and recently i am trying to build a similar community in india via my own blog https://theroadtohappyfire.blogspot.com/

    Do suggest me how i can write better and any other advice from you is gold. In the last 8 years , i have built up a corpus which has made me FI but i haven’t yet retired because i love my work and love my colleagues as well.

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  • Steven January 16, 2025, 9:33 pm

    I’m a retired man trying to spend more too, but at a way different level because the older you get the more real is the saying that you cant take it with you. Although its hard to transition from frugal saver to spender my thought evolved to this:
    Plan to leave an appropriate inheritance to children, then spend the rest, treat yourself, family and friends, help those less fortunate.
    At $30k per year you’ll clearly leave too much on the table at the end.

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  • Andrew January 16, 2025, 9:35 pm

    Meanwhile daycare for our 2 kids costs us $50,000 per year.

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    • Liv January 17, 2025, 1:11 am

      It’s not forever- hang in there!

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  • Zach January 16, 2025, 9:51 pm

    Writing this from a seaside view in the Coromandel Peninsula, New Zealand…
    As always, it is great to see a new post from MMM. I can credit this blog with a great deal of personal change and achieving basic FI this last year (with some credit to the house hacking strategy — thank you Craig Curelop). I remember first stumbling upon the blog in 2020 at the age of 25 while living in Hawaii and reading almost every article. The savings have accelerated quite a bit since then and I must say “thank you” for all of the writing you have done and the impact it has had on me.

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  • Zack H. January 16, 2025, 9:52 pm

    Happy New Year, MMM. I was just re-reading your 2019 budget post the other day, so it was a nice surprise tonight to get a notification for not just a new article, but a new budget article! Always insightful. Thanks for sharing.

    Do you have any thoughts on the apparent “Cryptomania” that could be poised to run wild if the new administration makes good on some of the things they talk about doing in that space?

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  • Ms Stache January 16, 2025, 9:55 pm

    Mustachian since 2012. We caught a happy case of one-more-year-itis, after reaching the point we could have retired 5 years ago. So we have adopted a commensurate level of abundance-spending. But even with a toddler in the mix, and high cost of living, we are similarly spending very little.

    Riffing off your 2012 article, first retire (https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/05/14/first-retire-then-get-rich/),we retired first, then happened to save more money by travelling (without the confines of an expensive urban work lifestyle). Then we had a baby, then came out of retirement to take up for a fulling, well-paid job and lifestyle. The added bonus is that every dollar of income now feels like sweet, sweet gravy.

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  • Anil Godavarthy January 16, 2025, 10:46 pm

    Always refreshing to read your posts, keep writing. Your alcohol expenses are enviably low! You mentioned that you traveled a lot in 2024 and yet the ~6K expenses sound pretty low. A one-week vacation with flights and basic hotels for 2 would cost anywhere between $1500-$2000. What’s the trick?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:51 am

      That’s a good point. I guess it’s because most of my travel is to visit friends around the country and help them build their houses (something I call Carpentourism). Or sometimes to go speak at or co-host an event of some sort where the accommodation is included.

      There aren’t too many vacations I’m interested in that involve the standard flight/hotel/tourism stuff, although I’m trying to talk my son into one right now (a trip to Houston to see the new Meow Wolf museum there as well as tour all the sights and pay a visit to a friend at the space center)

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      • BaliGirl January 17, 2025, 3:14 pm

        I’ll buy you a coffee if you make it to Houston!

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      • Carson January 18, 2025, 1:35 pm

        Carpentourism sounds very cool, I have Often done work trades while I traveled or traveled for work on sailing cargo ships.

        I have a carpentourism invite for you. Do you want to come and help with some finishing details on an of grid house in the pacific northwest? The house has a green roof and is built with wood that I milled on site. It would be an adventure and a look into radical rural self sufficiency.

        Thanks for writing,
        Carson

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        • Mr. Money Mustache January 19, 2025, 11:26 am

          Thanks for the invite Carson!

          Aside from stuff I already do with friends here in Colorado, my true travel Carpentourism interest is pretty narrow. It would have to be:
          – on the coast of Southern California or a tropical area of the US or Mexico during the months of December through March
          – working alongside the homeowner who is someone I really like spending time with, rather than just being a contractor
          – building something cool or creative like a new apartment or decks or an Ewok Village type deal up in the treetops :-)
          – The presence of really good food onsite helps too!

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          • Carson January 19, 2025, 3:54 pm

            that is understandable.
            My friend saw my comment and sent me an email to up the ante.
            I might check two boxes.
            The coolest thing on my list is the addition of a glass green house and laundry room. They will be heated by annualized geo solar.

            The food is where I really shine. I make fresh Salads from the Garden, sustainably harvested feral lamb and uni(sea urchin). I started my career working as a cook deckhand on boats so I know how to cook delicious food.

            I am definitely not in the tropics.

            I am the home owner builder and I do have a magical ability to get along with most everybody, I just try and see the best part of them.

            Put the real opportunity would be experiencing the awesome community I am a part of, a place full of people living with mustachian spending and values but not that much FI.

            Take Care

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      • sWORDSman January 18, 2025, 7:25 pm

        And I’ll buy the snack to go with that coffee!

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  • John January 16, 2025, 10:54 pm

    Impressive numbers. I’ve been following you for many years and I never quite understand the decision to spend so little money at your wealth/income. Now that I’m at my FIRE number, I’m beginning to understand. Even with a new daughter and my wife staying home, we spend just slightly more, even with all the inflation. My biggest purchase in the last couple of years was just a guitar. Otherwise my most rewarding moments are just playing with my daughter and trying to create fun memories.

    It’s dawning on me that maybe my FIRE number was larger than necessary. I thought we would want to spend more, but ultimately we just wanted time.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:48 am

      Absolutely! I often get misrepresented as being “cheap” or denying myself of things that I want. But really the problem has just been that I always buy whatever I want after giving it some consideration. I just don’t want quite as many things as most people in this rich country.

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  • Luan January 16, 2025, 11:00 pm

    I am having trouble reconciling the feasibility of FIRE as a healthy person on a $1 million retirement versus working to save money for long term care risks ($5k-$10k monthly assisted living or nursing home costs) when I am older. Could you do an article weighing the pros and cons of this please?
    Based on data from the long-running Health and Retirement Study at the University of Michigan, the center estimates 25% will have “the type of severe needs that most people dread.” This is too realistic of a potential risk for me to not take into account.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:47 am

      Keep in mind that the 25% figure is based on the average American population, which is staggeringly unhealthy due to our diet and lack of physical training (only 11% of people over 65 even do any strength training, which I consider the very most important thing for EVERY SINGLE PERSON to do EVERY SINGLE DAY!)

      If we all avoided foods with added sugar, walked an hour each day and did at least something for strength every day, that number would probably be much lower (5%?)

      With that aside: if you live a Mustachian life, you’ll have the money there for long term care if you need it by that time. And I will too.

      But I’d rather go out healthy if I have the choice. And I’d rather adopt a voluntary termination package rather than lingering on in any way where I’m a burden to loved ones.

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      • Jimmy Tudor January 17, 2025, 6:37 pm

        In my personal sphere those who needed long term facility care were the healthiest I’ve known. They tend to hang on as their faculties decline. My partner’s grandparents both lived into their mid 90s spending their entire savings and wine-country house equity in memory care in the process. The unhealthy folks tend to kick the bucket quickly through smoking and decedent eating.

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        • Mary January 19, 2025, 11:08 am

          That’s in line with my experience with older relatives. Most of the unhealthy ones never really make it to the elderly stage.

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        • James A February 8, 2025, 8:05 am

          Sadly, this is also true in my family. My paternal grandparents were extremely healthy and fit, and lived into their 90s, needing expensive memory care toward the end. My maternal grandma smoked two packs a day and was sedentary, and had a fatal stroke in her late 70s and never saw the inside of a nursing facility.

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  • TheGreatWall January 16, 2025, 11:23 pm

    Thanks a lot for (finaly!!) a new post! It’s always inspiring, and I really enjoy reading about your life. Me, I started way too late with the journey to FI (now 38, started about 2 years ago), but are lucky to have a good job, and are now debt free with the house loan payed in full (well, I kept the mortgage, and invested in index-found). Since I have 3 kids, age 0, 6, and 8 and sees how the time goes by, I think now of cutting down to 70% at work, for more time with the kids growing up before it’s to late. It’s a puzzle though, since then I probably will not have any money left to save for the FI journey,..

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  • Dimitri January 17, 2025, 12:02 am

    Thanks for the update!

    One observation I had is that I didn’t see childcare expenses. There’s always all these summer camps, after-class programs, expensive hobbies, and all the new stuff marketing people come up with. When I hear how much people spend on their kids, it feels really overwhelming. Would be interesting to hear your money philosophy around parenting, how it stays that low, and how you ensure that your kid doesn’t feel left out among his peers.

    Thanks

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:41 am

      My boy is almost grown up now (turning nineteen this month!) but those expenses were indeed higher during certain parts of his childhood.

      We never had mandatory childcare because both parents retired before he was born – specifically so we could both team up as stay at home parents. But we still paid for part time preschool to get him out in the world mingling with other kids, and it paid off in friendships for both him and for us to this day.

      I think that it’s totally worth spending money on things that your kid wants to do. But drawing the line short of forcing them into being on multiple sports teams just because you think it would be food for them. And prioritizing local things so you’re not spending multiple hours in the car every week.

      Kids benefit from lots of self-directed play time with their siblings and parents and friends in nature, and many organized activities take them directly away from this. So, a middle ground between the standard rich suburbanite lifestyle and the traditional village upbringing could be ideal.

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  • Ahmad January 17, 2025, 12:45 am

    Hi,
    Thanks for sharing your budget and story with us. Nice job!. I agree that the biggest cost is housing. With ever increasing interest rates it is bay far the biggest chunk of my monthly expenses. Groceries seems to be cheaper in US than where I live (Norway). I like the idea of Mountain resort/Cabin hut. Looks really cool.

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  • Someone January 17, 2025, 12:54 am

    Thanks for yet another great post. I’m really glad you’re living a life of abundance and spreading positivity.

    I’m very fortunate, and I don’t long for much. It can be a real challenge aligning what I think is worthy of spending money on and others very close to me. You’ve already written about that though. I don’t try to be normal, but I don’t expect others to be like me. I just try to live by example in the way that works best for me while still making many mistakes along this journey we call life.

    Thanks a million triple M!

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  • IGMR January 17, 2025, 1:14 am

    This was a fantastic read, as always! It’s inspiring to see how a life built on purpose and efficiency can translate into not only financial independence but also joy and freedom.

    One thing that struck me in your breakdown was the balance between frugality and living well. I think many people misunderstand this balance, assuming frugality is about deprivation. Instead, it’s about focusing on the things that truly matter and cutting out the noise—something I’ve been trying to adopt in my own journey here in Sweden.

    A question for you: how do you prioritize spending on things that bring joy in the moment (like travel or hobbies) versus investments that provide long-term stability and happiness? It’s something I’ve been reflecting on recently, especially with the idea of “Die With Zero” bouncing around in my head.

    Thanks for continuing to share your numbers and philosophies. It’s a refreshing dose of clarity in a world often obsessed with the wrong kinds of metrics.

    Best regards from across the Atlantic,
    IGMR (Ibland gör man rätt)

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  • FENICHE January 17, 2025, 2:18 am

    Hi MMM

    I feel pretty much blessed with abundance even though I still need to work part Time for ten more years. As an IT tech, i put half of m’y income to work and it began to give Amazing returns.
    I also am in thé same position as Bullmuscle with his family s opinion of him regarding money management.
    I think i will allow myself to spend a bit more even before i will reach m’y financial goal.

    Best regards,

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  • Damian Tow January 17, 2025, 2:47 am

    Lots of people here in Europe are increasingly uncomfortable owning Tesla cars and I hear anecdotally sales of Tesla batteries are down (I work in the solar sector), all due to the unwelcome intervention of Musk into our politics. Interesting that a great technical product can be tainted by the behaviour of its significant shareholder. On the subject of budget, I have been tracking mine for around 8 years and expenditure (removing pension payments) is still in the £20-25K range. I am just not that interested in stuff and realised that most of the things that make up a ‘good life’ for me are cheap or free.

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  • Karen January 17, 2025, 2:51 am

    I live in Boulder County as you do (but the western part) and I’m surprised your property taxes are only $2577. Mine are $3500 for an assessed value of $493,750. How did you work that? I noticed you don’t have home insurance. I think self-insuring on your house is penny wise and pound foolish. Given we had the Marshall Fire three years ago that wiped out 1000 homes in the Boulder suburbs in an area that wasn’t known to be a “wildfire” area, it could happen to Longmont too. I know you could do a lot of the rebuilding yourself, but materials as I’m sure you know, are crazy expensive. How do you rationalize not carrying home insurance?

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    • Michelle February 3, 2025, 7:51 pm

      He has millions. Why would he need homeowners insurance?

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  • Sebo January 17, 2025, 3:30 am

    I can totally relate to the peace of mind of having paid off your house even though the financial advice whould have been to invest more money in the stock market.
    I almost got laid off during covid and having paid off the house just a few month prior was just a really good feeling

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  • Axel Hoogland January 17, 2025, 3:33 am

    Are you saying you skip $2k home insurance? Seems like an asymmetric risk? To the bad side?

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    • Elizabeth Bray January 17, 2025, 4:23 am

      I would also love to hear more about this.

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    • Jwheeland January 17, 2025, 5:05 am

      Agreed, Alex. MMM it’s okay to pay for insurance. You’re probably thinking but I can just self insure any destruction to the house (rebuild/ fix myself) but I’m worried about your liability.

      Generally, Insurance companies pay for the lawyers who defend you. Seems like an easy win to pay a little bit to avoid the actual costs but potential BS of dealing with any lawsuit that’s may arise. Slip and falls happen. People get hurt. Just seems not worth the risk and the return on hassle to self insure seems very very high.

      Maybe the insurance you have on the cowriting space also provides liability insurance? Or you have some other policy that covers you.

      But I’d say that isn’t a win to be self insuring your home.

      Here’s an easy space to spend more and create some happiest! :)

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      • RC February 16, 2025, 11:45 am

        He has explained this before.

        Pretty sure he has an umbrella policy for liability. Those can be had much more cheaply than via homeowners.

        Generally, a lot of traditional (not FIRE) rich people over-insure. You might see that their life insurance person has them on a personal liability add-on, and their homeowners of their 2 homes also has liability, and their business insurance. Redundancy.

        He could probably re-built himself for well under $200/sq ft. I believe it’s a smallish place…

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    • Thiago January 17, 2025, 6:29 am

      MMM is fine. Insurance makes sense for items with low frequency and high severity, like housing, for most people. However, MMM can pay for another house in cash without any major impact on his finances. His main concern, though, is the lack of liability protection.

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    • Kristine January 17, 2025, 7:32 am

      Depends on where the house is located/actual risk, your risk tolerance, your/your family’s needs and flexibility, and the cost/size plus your ability to rebuild from scratch. IIRC, Pete chose CO specifically for the lack of natural disasters, he has a heavy cushion of investments and strings to pull if needed, and he’s already built multiple houses from scratch.

      For those who want to self-insure, in the event of a disaster, selling the land and buying a new house (potentially in a cheaper area to make up the difference) may also be an option—especially if the home-in-question is smaller/older and in a desirable location where a new buyer is likely to tear it down anyway.

      Florida girl here. I always chose insurance with the highest possible deductible. And fortunately or unfortunately, our flood insurance is paying out /hard/ this year and more than made up for all the premiums… x.X

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    • Brittney January 17, 2025, 2:09 pm

      I’m also wondering about the risk of lawsuits without homeowners insurance.

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  • florian January 17, 2025, 3:57 am

    Hi MMM,

    thanks for the post. Great you are doing so good. As always a great inspration.
    As a family of five (3 teenagers), we spend 70k (EUR) over here in germany last year.
    I almost got an heart attack on this. We are livig pretty frugal (15 year old car, paid-off house), at least I though, but we did some travelling.
    Want to cut this back this year, but it is hard.

    Please post more often :-)

    Florian

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:33 am

      Hey Florian – no need to stress or cut back, you’re in a phase of life that calls for expensive fun! (raising teenagers)

      Also, Germany is just a more expensive place and your family is twice the size of mine. So I’d say we are probably at pretty similar spending levels.

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    • Ramiro Robles January 18, 2025, 5:39 am

      Hi, I’m currently living in France, and I’ve spent 21000 euros last year, paid off house of course in the countryside 1 h away from the atlantic ocean, property taxes around 1400 euros. But always trying to do better. IDK how you can spend 70k, try to put your budget here (if you don’t mind), I’m very curious. Thank you

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  • Republic DC-9 January 17, 2025, 4:31 am

    Great to see a new article, MMM!

    Especially interesting to me as 2025 is my FIRE cohort year in your forums and so I find myself re-reading all of your old “pull the trigger” posts.

    RE: your question about stinginess vs abundance, it feels like we’re ironically at the point where just as we become wealthy enough to FIRE, we’ve also suddenly lost our earlier taste for spending. At age 50ish we just have ENOUGH “stuff” (and are trying to get rid of excess) and also got things like extensive European travel out of our system. The post where you offer the advice “every object purchased becomes a life long burden, consider carefully” is wise and were undoing a lot of those decisions now.

    But splurging on a Christmas break stay with my spouse at the Hyatt in Chicago for a few days was money well spent.

    RE: owning a house, paying our 4% mortgage off a few years ago was – is – very worth it in piece of mind and our ability to FIRE. Highly recommended. Now I just need to pull that trigger! :)

    Happy New Year MMM/Pete!

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  • Bryan January 17, 2025, 4:39 am

    So much good stuff in there and so awesome to see a new post. I’ve been toying with the idea of a Tesla for a while much like you did. This may be a superficial question but nonetheless. I read that they have fit and finish issues but are getting better. A little dashboard rattle or something like that will drive me insane especially for a brand new car. Thoughts anyone? And thanks for the discount code Pete, now I’m over there clicking around even more..haha. For reference, I have a 15 year old Acura that runs like a top and will probably outlive me, but it consumes lots of gas and oil.

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    • MO January 17, 2025, 10:01 am

      Bryan, I also drove an old car (16 yr old VW wagon) that I loved. Finally after some unreliability during a busy week I decided to buy a Tesla. I bought a Model Y from their used inventory with 3500 miles on it, and saved about $12k off the price of new. If you MUST buy a car, I think a Model Y is a great choice. Take multiple test drives to get a feel for “fit and finish”. Take the family in it and have them slam doors and put their feet everywhere. My old car’s fit and finish felt a tiny bit more “solid” but I think Tesla is night and day incredible technology over gas cars and frankly I’m blown away by it every day. I looked around, there’s plenty of happy owners that don’t complain about fit and finish, so I took the leap.

      Im happy and I would have had to do it eventually, but if I could go back in time 2 months, I would consider keeping the old car until it truly died. I got happiness from knowing that I could easily buy a new car but that it was invested in boring index funds instead. I saw my car as secret wealth: it’s old and unimpressive but secretly making me richer. Now that I have normal insurance costs and depreciation, I don’t have that satisfaction. But I do have a car that’s cleaner for environment and will allow me about the same practicality in terms of camping, towing, hauling stuff, etc. I know it will get scratched up, but life is messy and kids are worth it.

      If you’re a MMM reader you’ll probably do thorough analysis. Some important points from mine: We’re a single car family. I wfh and don’t drive much (my family did 40k miles in last 8 years). If you drive a lot, EV’s are even better. I don’t qualify for 7500 credit so purchasing used was even more attractive. Dollar for dollar I think Tesla is the best choice, but the only thing that could have saved me more money was keeping my old car that I was happy with!

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      • Bryan January 18, 2025, 6:16 am

        Hi MO,
        Thank you for the thoughtful response. Sounds like a good move for you. Yes, I’ve been a mustachian for years. I bought my Acura TL brand new in 2010 (face punch from Pete) but paid off in 3 years and I keep it meticulously maintained and clean since day one. (Amateur Detailer). Never a problem, just maintenance. I FIRE’D myself from a job I hated which was only 2.5mi away. Got bored after 2 years and went back to work by choice to a job I like part time which became full time but is a 50mi round trip. Another face punch. My Acura still looks and runs like it just came off the showroom floor but my average monthly fill up is $175.00 per month. So each time I see a Tesla on the highway (and I see a lot) I think no more $175.00 just whatever the increase in kW on my home electricity bill which would be much less. But then like you, I think of not putting the full amount to pay cash for a new Tesla or 3 years of payments and just keep on shoveling that money into the index funds makes me feel great. Haha. So I’ll probably just continue to “window shop”. For me it would be the Model 3. No kids just me and the wife. Again for reference, the backseat and passenger seat of my TL are literally like brand new. The leather still smells fresh. Haha. Thank you for the info sir, have a great day!

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  • Sam Bailey January 17, 2025, 4:50 am

    I happened to do a similar experiment this past year in “loosening my purse strings”. I made double what I normally make (had a great commission year) and I decided to stop budgeting and splurge on occasion to see if I would be happier. At the end of the year, I still ended up with a 50% savings rate (or 60% if you look at after tax earnings) and I was much less stressed. I realized that I can still be on my journey to FI without having to stress out over every grocery purchase or restaurant visit. It’s been liberating! While I’m not going to continue to spend quite like I did last year, I will take some of this new mindset with me and realize that every single expense is not going to completely derail my future retirement.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:31 am

      Here here! I think many of my early-retired friends are feeling the same way. If your base lifestyle is reasonably efficient, you don’t have to sweat the small details.

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  • HusainT January 17, 2025, 5:16 am

    Great to hear you’re doing well and the feeling of abundance has only grown. Really neat to see how your lifestyle has shifted to be even more fancy and yet your spending is still reasonable. Continues to prove getting the big things right and efficient is all you need. Cheers to an epic 2025!

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  • Greg Wetzel January 17, 2025, 6:34 am

    Always great to have another article. For me it always has the effect of having a lifting buddy keeping you accountable to get to the gym.

    I share your passion for home remodeling and have the same problem with shop space being limited to a 2-car garage. Having a home workshop is always a good idea in my opinion, but like you, I’ve also branched out into rental properties, and doing work for others, and have discovered my home workshop is much less useful when I’m working elsewhere.

    I stumbled upon a unique homemade ‘tradesman’ trailer on FB Marketplace a few months back and I’ve been borderline obsessed with the idea of a mobile workshop ever since. The cost of a trailer to free up SF in the primary workshop is DRAMATICALLY cheaper than actually enlarging a workshop, plus I have an efficient way to take and setup my workshop on any location, which I am doing more and more of.

    Obviously, the idea of a contractor having a tool trailer is not a new concept. Here in the US, most contractors use box trailers which are just not always super efficient. If you’ve not heard of him, Ron Paulk’s SMART Workshop is probably the best at efficiently using this type of trailer. Still though, lots of setup and carrying things on/off the trailer. The Australian tradesman trailers typically are more like overland camping trailers, with lift doors and slide outs (google Uprising Engineering). I also stumbled on a new(ish?…or at least to me) product from OnSite Building Solutions called the CT1 which is very intriguing. I am too frugal to buy one of these new, but am handy enough to cobble something together.

    A Model Y may not be a traditional tow vehicle, and a trailer will zap its range, but that would not be an issue staying in town. With your skills and engineering background/mindset I bet you could come up with a remarkably frugal and efficient way to solve your workshop SF issue

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:29 am

      Yeah I think about the Workshop Trailer idea a lot too! Especially since my driveway is a tradesman’s utopia: 600SF of flat concrete, facing South, and on an alley with the greenway beyond so my neighbors don’t have to stare at all my tools and materials. A midsize enclosed box trailer hanging out back there with huge doors on the back and side would feel almost like a third garage bay. May indeed make that purchase.

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  • Kristine January 17, 2025, 6:42 am

    Build a frugal box, go reckless inside it. ;-)
    This post makes me ridiculously happy.

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  • Ray January 17, 2025, 6:46 am

    Man, 2k in property taxes in Colorado? Here in Georgia I pay 4k in a 300k value home. This state/county sucks!!! Wanna move to CO

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:26 am

      Colorado is great!

      I think our oil wealth as well as all the ski tourism (and a big tech sector) help subsidize our state budget pretty nicely. But you’d also want to consider the state income tax and local sales tax level as well as stuff like vehicle registration taxes if you’re a car driver (they are extra high here) to get the whole picture.

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  • c January 17, 2025, 6:55 am

    There are so many great (and better than Tesla) electric cars on the market today that I cannot fathom buying a Tesla anymore (even tho that was a plan at some point). At this point driving around in one, esp a newly purchased one, to me is like walking around with a MAGA hat on.

    No thanks.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 8:58 am

      Great, go out and buy one of those great cars next time you are in the market for one!

      For me as an engineer, the Tesla model Y still has no close competition in the US, and they’re also not standing still.

      The closest I see is the Hyundai Ioniq5 – lower efficiency, smaller cargo space, annoying beeps and boops for no reason, limited access to the only good charging network (Tesla), and most importantly *does not drive me across the country mostly by itself while I watch and relax!

      As for the MAGA stuff: I buy products based on their specifications rather than the party affiliation of a company’s CEO. And if you see it differently, that’s fine with me… but have you also verified that there are no Republicans behind the companies where you buy your lumber, or your gasoline, toothbrushes, groceries and all your other major purchases?

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      • Marcia January 17, 2025, 2:19 pm

        I mean, really – there’s “party affiliation” and there’s Musk/ Bezos/ Zuck. When the Billionaire Oligarchs are buying the government, it might be time to take a stand.

        When my 18 yo Toyota dies, maybe I’ll buy electric – or maybe I’ll just ride my E-bike more/ carpool with the hubs. But it WON’T be a Tesla as long as Leon is in charge.

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        • Michael February 5, 2025, 9:28 am

          You can argue about MMMs Tesla purchase, but if more people, overall, lived the lifestyle he lives, we wouldn’t have as many billionaire oligarchs in the first place. And how many of these “I won’t buy a Tesla” folks have stopped shopping at Whole Foods (owned by Amazon)?

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  • Tim January 17, 2025, 7:01 am

    “I get a secondary benefit of not having to buy house insurance, which saves me another $2000 per year.” I wonder if people living near the California wildfires felt this was a good way to save money. I also have paid off my mortgage, and would never even consider going without homeowners insurance. Even if the risk of losing your house to fire or natural disaster is low, it isn’t zero. And even “small” damage can add up fast (like having to replace a roof after a bad hail storm).

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:24 am

      I read that many of the people in that (wealthy) part of LA were forced to self-insure partly because the insurance companies weren’t willing to cover such a high wildfire risk. At a certain level of wealth, the cost of repairing or rebuilding a house isn’t a big deal but I’m sure there are many people left behind and struggling.

      For the rest of us, it’s really just a probability game: if you can’t afford the consequences of a fire or disaster, either buy insurance or stick to a less expensive house. If you ARE getting insurance, do the math on whether the premium is worth the coverage.

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      • Tom Crew January 17, 2025, 9:35 am

        Homeowners also includes liability protection if someone is injured on your property and for certain off-property related claims, like if you injure someone with your bicycle, or get sued for slander or libel. Also it generally would be required before one could have an umbrella policy for higher liability coverage. Maybe this is more of a U.S. mindset, than an Canadian one where there are fewer outlandish personal injury judgments, but for me having insurance to protect my net worth is an important consideration. So I carry la homeowner’s policy for asset protection.

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        • Irish94 January 19, 2025, 12:38 am

          This is a very good point. I am a retired insurance regulatory lawyer, and homeowners insurance just covers much more than the house. It covers YOU for liability. If you get sued, it also hires a lawyer to defend you and pays any judgement against you up to the policy limits. It also provides loss of use coverage to pay for the hotel you have to live in if your house becomes uninhabitable AND pays to replace the contents of your house, like your furniture, appliances, and clothes.

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  • Dividend Daddy January 17, 2025, 7:07 am

    You write that, “Also, I get a secondary benefit of not having to buy house insurance, which saves me another $2000 per year, boosting my effective return on that payoff.”

    You don’t have home insurance?!?! Say if your house burns down? Isn’t it worth it to have insurance to cover that catastrophic loss? I pay a small amount monthly for this benefit. Makes sense to me as insurance is annoying to pay accept when you need to collect on a “knock on wood it doesn’t happen” major event like a fire or a flood.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 9:21 am

      Another great question DD!

      Yes, for many people house insurance is a solid plan. And if you have a mortgage on that house, it’s mandatory because the lender wants YOU to pay to protect THEIR collateral.

      As you get older and wealthier, and especially if you live in a not-that-expensive house like my current one, it’s worth it to continually rework the math. In my case I came up with these thoughts:

      – if my house burned down, I’d be rather pissed but the actual cost of rebuilding would not affect my ability to stay retired
      – and the foundation would probably survive, which cuts the rebuilding costs by another $50k or so
      – and I’d rebuild it into a much cooler house
      – and I’d be the builder and hire all my carpenter friends to work alongside me, because that’s my favorite thing to do anyway!

      Another factor is just the “sleep at night” question. If having insurance helps you sleep better at night, that increases the value for you as well. In my case, I sleep like a worry-free log every night anyway :-)

      https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2011/06/02/insurance-a-tax-on-people-who-are-bad-at-math/

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  • Beaner January 17, 2025, 7:16 am

    Just hittig 65 this year. Been retired for 12 years. Have been following your concepts since before they were your concepts…just my nature…and why I have subscribed and read your posts.. I fill my days with the activities I used to enjoy only during vacation. I tend towards physcially active interests, so during the winter that means exercising in the home pseudo gym I have put together over the years (so no gym costs). In the summer I take care of my mountain enclave, focusig on my garden and flowerveds. I cook at home and really don’t eat out, due mostly to fear of crap food in restaurants…probably my own fault as I choose deep fried things when I eat out.

    I saw your post when you decided to spend more and considered it and even tried to experiment with it. but I keep coming back to the fact that for me, spending more money does not bring me more joy;. I considered doing more traveling, but have found that for me, the only real stress I experience in life is when I travel. I dislike stress and crowds more than I like travel so that was not an outlet. I prefer to walk and ride a bike, so a new car doesn’t make any sense and I doubt any lasting improvement in happinesss would result. I flyfish, hike and run and there just isn’t much I need or want for those hobbies that I have not had for years. I built my house on a mountain property when I retired and it does not require much maintenance…we planned it that way. And I desire less space as I grow older rather than moe so expanding it would not bring me joy. And I was fortunate to be able to pay for the materials when I built it so it too is paid off and there is low property taxes, so little to no housing expenses. And relative to medical care, I used to purchase the lowest cost highest deductible bronze plan each year, and then never use it fortunately. I thinik the physical activity of life and paying attention to sleeping, eliminating processed food and sugar, and eliminating stress pays huge dividends in terms of need for sick care. I guess that is the one thing I would share with folks…take care of yourself and avoid having to deal with the debacle that is our medical/pharmaceutical industrial complex.

    Bottom line, additional money spent does not bring me additonal joy, so I don’t. And my nest egg has doubled since retiring. I am satisified with plans to leave the money to folks I love and who probably will enjoy spending it more than I ever would…and to share some with folks along the way.

    All good.

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    • Michael February 5, 2025, 9:29 am

      Thank you for speaking out against the medical/pharmaceutical industrial complex. We could eliminate SO MUCH of our dependence on them if we just cut back on the processed foods.

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  • Suzanne January 17, 2025, 7:16 am

    As always, I so greatly appreciate your optimism and spirit of personal efficacy around finances. In a world where the dominant message is the sky is falling and inflation (and housing costs) will crush us no matter what so we’re screwed, you provide the alternative voice. I have young adult children and I think this message is so important for them, in particular, because so much of their generation seems to feel defeated before they even start.

    But speaking of feeling defeated: healthcare costs. Your luck in this category is astounding. No dental costs, like crowns or cavities or wisdom teeth? No one wears eyeglasses or contacts in your family? Never any PT for injury incurred whilst adventuring or DIY’ing house stuff? Depression or anxiety never darkened your or your family member’s door? We eat well and take care of ourselves, but try as we might, healthcare costs screw us every year, primarily on stuff that is outside or barely within our control (e.g. $1,600 this month to replace dental crowns that happened in high school when eating Twinkies was a thing).

    Alas, life is still great. Here’s to a great 2025 for you and all Mustachians!

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    • Kathleen Coco January 17, 2025, 9:30 am

      I didn’t find dental insurance useful as it would pay $100-200 for something like “crown replacement and I still needed $1300 to pay my dentist.
      Eye insurance not so useful either. Trifocals with various coatings still cost a lot despite 50% discount on frames. You still need to “self insure” for Substantial Gap coverage.

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      • Colton January 26, 2025, 9:18 am

        Yeah dental insurance is kind of a scam at this point if you self fund it. Pay $500 per year and the insurance company will pay for your cleanings and a pathetic amount on any surgeries. Self insuring makes sense there.

        Medical is very different though. I eat well and have never had a medical issue, but this year had a tendon repair which billed the insurance $57,000. For a 2 hour outpatient surgery! Thousands more billed to insurance for PT. Brain surgery will get billed for 2 million plus in the US. And brain cancer doesn’t give a shit if you ate salads and walked a mile a day. Virtually no one should self insure on that.

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  • I W January 17, 2025, 7:38 am

    Hi MMM, love your post as always. Pursuing a happy life and living true to your day-to-day values is definitely a worthy goal. But it sounds like something is missing: where to go from here. Now that you’ve optimized your daily life, what’s the bigger purpose? How can you help move your wider community forward?

    One thing the wealthy do is donate to causes, sort of a noblesse-oblige situation. You could certainly hit your spending goals that way 😉 And iirc, you’ve written about donating before. But you’ve got skills, too. What about helping out with Habitat for Humanity, or starting a similar org working with local domestic violence/refugee orgs to fix up houses for them? What are people beyond your family/friends going to remember you for, beyond this (awesome) blog?

    Most of us can’t even consider that question yet, or ever. But thanks to your hard work and strategy, you can.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 8:52 am

      Yeah, those are great thoughts and questions IW. And you’re right that I have been super lucky to get to think about them – (for almost twenty years now!)

      What I’ve come to realize is that when you really dig down to a meaningful life, you don’t actually *need* to always be striving for something different from what you already have.

      I mean yes, I generally try to be helpful in the ways that I can, both locally and on a bigger scale with things like sharing ideas on the internet. But there’s an (ADHD-informed) balance where I need a certain amount of free time and I work best in an unscheduled life where I only decide what to do most days AFTER a good morning walk and breakfast.

      So, some people will start and run their bigger foundations and save more of the world than me. And I’ll keep going on my own smaller scale, mostly in the workshop or the scenic parts of Colorado, having a great time here too.

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      • Kathleen Coco January 17, 2025, 9:33 am

        I so understand this comment and thank you for it.

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      • Torontomom January 17, 2025, 10:11 am

        Wow, so interesting to learn that you have ADHD, too. I just learned that I have ADHD (in my mid 50s), and it has explained a LOT of my life trajectory. And, it has finally explained why I struggle so much with my desk-bound job. Single mom with a teen living in an expensive city (I know…) so no FIRE for me yet, but your posts have kept me on a frugal path for more than a decade, so I thank you. Having a paid-off house with very low costs (solar powered, do a lot of my own repairs) and a rental property I will get there much sooner than I previously thought possible.

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    • Celia January 17, 2025, 10:28 am

      This is a great question and conversation starter. I retired early about two years ago, and I’m early in the process of considering these big ideas. I think a lot about how to do the most I can for my community without turning over 100% of my time to somebody else’s goals and whims.

      A couple of core principles that I’m drawn to:

      1. It’s all about the 80/20 rule — what are the 20% of actions we can take that will make 80% of the change? Pick one thing that aligns with your skills, interests, and influence, and work on that. For MMM, it’s reducing car traffic (and thereby carbon emissions) by persuading people to design their lives around biking. For me, it’s increasing literacy, particularly media literacy. I think if Americans were better able to distinguish propaganda, scams, etc. from good information, we would be much more effective at creating policies that benefit as many people as possible.

      2. Giving money can be just as good (or better!!) than giving your time. I completely get MMM’s point here that it’s counterproductive to be locked into running a nonprofit full-time if that’s not how you work best. I believe people who prefer more time freedom can feel great about “just” providing funding for others who find meaning in devoting a lot of time to hands-on work. (And many people, like me, will fall in the middle, with some part-time volunteering and some donating.)

      Many of us worry about problems that we have no real expertise in or direct control over, like preventing wildfires. It is a huge contribution to donate money strategically to the people who do have the expertise and the control, even if your time is going only to making art, enjoying nature, hanging out with friends, etc. We learned from MMM that our money works harder than us, and that can apply to charitable giving too!

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  • FloridaMom January 17, 2025, 7:51 am

    I’ve been retired for 5 years and moved to a retirement community. I’ve seen how very quickly circumstances can change due to health issues. Last year was a big year…we spent 7 weeks in Europe, did 3 cruises, bought a fancy-pants sports car, built a house for our son so he can start to bank money with no house payment. And with the crazy stock market, our accounts are pretty much the same! I scrimped and micromanaged our household spending for decades…it does feel odd to say “yes” instead of an automatic no. Feel very fortunate to have the choice to spend more on travel, family, charities. I see so many people who are not as fortunate and hope your younger readers are listening to you! My millenial co-workers used to snicker at my frugal ways, sadly. They should start teaching finance in middle school!

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  • Robert January 17, 2025, 7:54 am

    > “In the Comments: Where are you at on this spectrum of stinginess versus abundance mentality, and fulfilment versus longing in life?”

    I’m definitely trying to operate more with an abundance mindset these days (thanks to the likes of you, Carl @ 1500 days, and ChooseFI). However, it is difficult to communicate accurately to my wife why I think spending $250 instead of $90 for a flight with more convenient times is fine but spending $15 on McDonald’s is a total waste. To me it is clear: the former results in a better experience and improves the quality of life, the latter reduces my lifespan.

    > “A Temporary Note about Teslas and other electric cars: Rumor has it that the $7500 EV tax credit might be disappearing when our new president takes over next week, so this might be the cheapest chance to buy what I feel are the best cars on the market: The Model Y, or Model 3.”

    I’ve benefited from the EV tax credit, but at the same time I don’t like the federal government distorting the market, but then also at the same time the federal government already does that in so many areas with ridiculous Byzantine regulations, so the EV tax credit could be seen as a form of “un-distortion”. Either way, if the tax credit disappears I am quite confident that the market will find a new equilibrium all on its own.

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    • Philippe February 10, 2025, 12:41 pm

      I’ve heard that “subsidy/distorted market” argument about EVs so many times over the past few years, and yet I find it mostly irrelevant. I think most people don’t know that the combustion engine vehicles industry has been heavily subsidized for decades, either through tax breaks, direct investments from the government, direct subsidies to oil companies and, in a more subtle way, by very lax environmental regulations that have allowed the production of these vehicles (or oil) at a distorted cost. The only difference is that when buying EVs, consumers receive the tax credit directly instead of getting a hidden discount on a combustion engine vehicle that was subsidized on the production line. So yes, in the end, everything is subsidized in one way or another!

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  • TheRetiredOne January 17, 2025, 9:01 am

    MMM (or others), can you elaborate on the comment, “(plus the usual hidden subsidy of a paid-off house)”….exactly what is that? I think I am fairly informed in the world of finance (have been FIREd since 2014 @ age of 40) but not exactly sure what this is. Thank you!

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    • Robert January 17, 2025, 10:47 am

      It is a “subsidy” in the sense that it reduces monthly/yearly cash requirements by the amount of principal+interest (and in the case of MMM, insurance since he chooses to self-insure). If you have a mortgage then you have a requirement to pay the mortgage every month (PITI), but in MMM’s case he only pays the ‘T’ part or taxes.

      If he had a mortgage, then his $30k/year spend would probably be closer to $60k/year (or something, depending on the amount financed, interest rates, insurance, etc.). So the subsidy is the reduction in annual spending because of not having the mortgage. But he got that by working at paying off the mortgage earlier in life, which he acknowledges is a trade off.

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  • Aaron January 17, 2025, 9:16 am

    …And mostly succeeds, I’d say.

    It sounds like you had a bunch of fun and got to spend “tons” of money without impacting your long term finances, and instead continuing to let them grow.

    Thanks for the great article!

    I’d like to see you up the ante in 2025 and do an MMM experiment where you spend exactly a 4% withdrawal rate on that theoretical million dollar retirement account.

    Let me know if you need help spending the extra 10k :)

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