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Retired Man Tries to Spend More Money, Mostly Fails

A couple of years ago, Mr. Money Mustache lost some credibility among the faithful when he wrote this blog post about actually trying to spend a bit more money, while buying a Tesla as the first step in that program. 

Look at me!”, 

I thought to myself at the time, 

I’m such an enlightened middle-aged Badass, adjusting habits and realigning myself at the snap of my fingers. Onward to the next forty eight years of the Good Life!

So, two years passed with an even greater feeling of abundance. I had a marvelous time traveling everywhere and spending money like I thought a proper wealthy person would do.

 I dined out in stylish restaurants, booked hotels based on their niceness rather than their cheapness, paid extra to sit in the “reduced torture” seats of the airplanes, and gave zero fucks about paying double for groceries if I happened to be in a Whole Foods rather than my usual Sam’s Club and Costco (and yes I treat myself to memberships at both warehouse stores!)

Among the highlights, my son and I have worked our way though a nice selection of late night EDM concerts and three Meowwolf art venues including a Christmas Day road trip from our winter home in Tempe Arizona to Las Vegas last year. And having spent much of the year as a single man, I had a wide open schedule to just meet up with friends, explore new places and meet new people as opportunities came up. It felt like a year of adventurous transition, which means it felt like much more than twelve months.

With all this flashy spending, I was sure my budget must have crept back into full American Consumer territory. But I was having too much fun to bother adding it all up to check. 

Until recently, when I was doing another round of informal coaching for a friend and we both decided to tally our spending for the past year to compare notes.

When I finally finished sorting all of those transactions into a spreadsheet and hit the “sum” button, the results surprised me.

While my overall spending had indeed increased (especially in travel-related categories), the big-picture effect was still pretty minimal. Depending on how I account for things like the car and my business expenses, my spending went from $20,000 to about $30,000 (plus the usual hidden subsidy of a paid-off house.)

This level could still be sustained by a $1 million investment nest egg. Since my investments are quite a bit higher than that (especially after these recent years of crazy economic growth and the never-ending stock market rally), I’m still way under budget.

Although I still “failed” to really increase my spending to the MMM-recommended levels for old wealthy people, this still makes me happy, because I have genuinely had more fun with the abundance mindset, and I can keep trying more life experiments in the coming years. 

As we covered in the 2019 article on the idea of an Optimization Council, it’s always a good idea to compare our spending, tips and tricks on how to get the most out of life. Almost twenty years into early retirement, this is where I have landed so far, although I’m always learning and open to feedback.

Anyway, let’s cut the wistful commentary and get into the budget.

CategoryFrom Personal CardFrom Business CardTotalDetails
Groceries$5,465.56$494.83$5,960.39For me + young adult son about half the time + guests
Restaurants$2,145.11$98.48$2,243.59Restaurants only for special fun rather than just getting food
Travel$3,982.00$2,176.77$6,158.77Business travel is for things like Camp Fi and other fun conferences
Utilities$1,909.510$1,909.51
Amazon/House$949.64$2,604.46$3,554.10About 75% of business is actually construction materials for clients (usually friends) which were reimbursed via invoice
Booze$250.670$250.67Wine and other beverages for entertaining.
Healthcare$813.20$2,723.46$3,536.66This is cheap thanks to Sedera Health Sharing plus a Direct primary care (DPC subscription)
Also paid for some advanced blood tests just for screening and learning purposes.
Automobile$2,191.68$233.53$2,425.21This is just car insurance and registration. We could add a “depreciation” figure in here to be more accurate.
Phone+Internet$1,410.561410.56$50 Gigabit Internet (!) and about $25-30 for my monthly for Google Fi bill + tax
Property Taxes$2,577.30$2,577.30Surprisingly reasonable given the $500-600k value of houses in my neighborhood.
Total$20,284.67$9,742.09$30,026.76

In summary: Wow, how interesting! When we compare this to my 2019 post on that year’s spending, it’s only a bit higher even after all the inflation we have seen in recent years. I spent more on travel and fun, but less on home renovation – partly because I was away so much I didn’t have as much time to work on my house. The health insurance is a new cost too since I was self-insured back then.

The Biggest Savings:

My budget is notably missing the biggest expense for most people, which is housing costs. This is because I paid off my house long ago, and I also love working on and taking care of my own home, which means there are no bills for lawn mowing, plumbers, tree pruning or handyman services. 

This strategy is not for everyone, and it’s not even the optimum financial one for me – I would have been better off taking out the biggest mortgage I could get at 3% back in the sweet borrowing times of 2021, and putting all that principal to work in stock index funds where it would have almost doubled since then. But I still get a great peace of mind from just having no mortgage payment, and there’s really no better way to use your money than to buy such good feelings. Also, I get a secondary benefit of not having to buy house insurance, which saves me another $2000 per year, boosting my effective return on that payoff.

What about Health Insurance?

First of all, the biggest money saving factor of good health and good luck has continued, meaning I’ve still had no actual medical expenses. But I still do maintain two layers of health care support which together feel very much like the ultimate version of health insurance: a membership with a top of the line Direct Primary Care (DPC) medical clinic ($107 per month) plus a high-deductible plan ($201) with a health sharing organization called Sedera

The combined cost of $308 per month is less than the cheapest Bronze plan in the field of standard health insurance, yet I get personalized support with zero deductible for almost all typical medical needs, plus some protection from larger medical bills if my good luck runs out.

But as a disclaimer, I’m not an expert on medical needs and health insurance because I’ve had so little experience with the system. And the highest priority in my life is arranging my days for maximum health to give me the best chance of keeping it this way.

How could I do better?

When it comes down to it, money is a tool for survival and if we’re lucky, self actualization. So I’m always asking myself if there’s anything I can change or improve to make the most of this good fortune. 

I also try to keep in mind an interesting principle of happiness, which says that, 

Fixing your persistent problems is more effective than just doubling down on things that are already good in your life. 

For me, there are already a lot of good things which don’t need improving. My family, friends, relationships, health, food and daily activities are pretty much as good as I could imagine. 

The only annoyance I can think of is physical chaos: I have a lot of space-intensive hobbies like construction and music, and I currently live in a pretty small house which is basically maxed out.  I could really use a doubling of my workshop space from the current 2-car, 440 square foot garage to maybe a thousand or so. 

But I also love where I live and wouldn’t want to give up my views, neighbors or current place. So I’ll keep optimizing what I’ve got unless some perfect opportunity comes up for a bigger place right on my block.

My future “Friends Mountain Resort” is just an AI generated image…. for now!

In the longer run, a mountain compound with its own cliffs and stream are also on my “maybe” list. But once again, my days and life are already overbooked with joyful things. My existing house and our HQ Coworking space already have long to-do lists. Would I actually be happier if I added another place to my portfolio? So I keep this idea on the shelf until I’m willing to trade it for another existing commitment – like selling my house or the coworking space.

But for now, I’m just extremely excited to blaze into 2025 with loads abundance and piles of challenging stuff on my to-do list. And I wish you the same!

In the Comments: Where are you at on this spectrum of stinginess versus abundance mentality, and fulfilment versus longing in life?

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  • Juan Rossi January 17, 2025, 9:21 am

    MMM, thanks a lot for your post. Sharing that kind of information on the internet is uncommon, and you don´t have to do this, so thanks a lot, it´s very elucidative. You are very smart, and you live a special life thanks to your previous life choices, so it´s always good to see your take on things.
    I feel like you allowed yourself to improve your confort in life, which I think is great, since you are extremely careful with your finance and stuff, you don´t need to go to the extreme of consuming like crazy, nor to the extreme of cutting all costs allways (at least in this time of your life, after having built your stash and stuff).
    I also feel like you could, maybe, help people in need somehow, given your current financial status, but you are not obligated to do so, beacuse you already pay taxes and after all that´s up to the government, besides what you replied to another comment, I understand your reasons. But, if you could, it would probably make a big difference in other peoples lifes (I also remember your post about giving money to some institutions, I think you called it effective altruism). And it is not easy to find the sweet spot between helping someone get back on their feet to be able to sustain themselves, or helping someone to have a better education, and making someone always dependant on external help.
    As for myself, I am brazilian, live in Brazil and I am trying to improve my stash every month, following your teachings, but it hasn´t been easy due to health problems in the family, which take around 60% of my salary. But its ok, I feel very fortunate with what I have, and I will keep trying to go forward one day at a time :)
    Thank you for everything!

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  • Patrick January 17, 2025, 10:01 am

    4% rule falls apart in the face of 25% year-over-year gains (2 years in a row now, or 142% since 2018, the year I hit FI). Being 2x FI is meaningless. Recently I read the book Die with Zero. I definitely don’t agree with everything Bill Perkin says but I agree there is no point dying with millions left over. Even if you have kids. Not everyone believes in kids inheriting a trust fund, some people believe in them making their own way.

    I had thought this post would be about techniques you’ll use to get better at spending more. But instead it was like haha, I failed at spending more but life is still great while spending ridiculously little. That’s all well and good but I think some people in FI could use some advice on how to spend more. Or some philosophical perspective – if you’re 2x or 3x FI, does that mean you worked way too long? And what is the purpose of money if not to spend it?

    I’ve found it’s harder than you think to change 20+ years of frugality into a spend more mindset. Fancier groceries, restaurants, travel don’t usually add up to 2x budget. Only lifestyle inflation and hedonic adaptation, with probably some big real estate purchases, will do that. It’s a crazy problem to have, but that’s the world some people are in now.

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  • Amanda January 17, 2025, 10:03 am

    Haha, you need a woman to help you spend your money. I spent $20k on a family vacation to Europe a couple years ago.

    But all joking aside, I can see how these numbers could be a little discouraging to someone with a mortgage, day care bills, insurance premiums, income taxes. Just wanted to chime in as someone who has always had those bills and still reached FIRE. Some of those expenses are really savings or a windfall in disguise.

    For instance, we pay $3k a month to our mortgage, but only $400 is interest. So technically we are saving $2600 a month in our house. In the height of our daycare spending (3 kids) we were spending $36k a year, but this allowed both of us to work. I made $90k a year at that time, so it was a windfall of $54k. Unfortunately insurance premiums and taxes don’t have any hidden savings, but they do scale according to your assets/income. So If you a paying a lot, it also means that your home is worth a lot and you make a lot.

    We currently spend around $12k a month (including mortgage and lots of kid activities), but that in less than 40% of our income. This is the payoff of neither of us taking a long break in our careers to take care of kids (we are both engineers). And we could retire at anytime if we wanted to, but engineering is fun (I build large public transportation projects and my husband navigates spacecraft).

    So hang in there. It not about your yearly expenditures, it’s about spending less than you make and investing in the future while enjoying the important things in the present.

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  • Dave H FL January 17, 2025, 10:14 am

    Wish I could relate to this. No idea how you manage such low numbers. Most striking is travel. If you only spent that much last year on travel and you TRIED to go upscale on flights and hotels and experiences, then you’re just not doing it right man. It all just seems a little unrealistic for someone earnestly trying to spend more. I will spend your entire year’s travel expense on ONE 4-day trip to a place like Scottsdale AZ, flying from FL, at a nice resort and top notch meals.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 17, 2025, 12:42 pm

      Well, this looks like a case of Different strokes for different folks Dave!

      Coincidentally one of the most memorable meals I enjoyed in the past year was in Scottsdale too, although it was a picnic with a friend on a hillside along the greenway, laughing at the antics of the fancy people and the birds in the water and watching the beautiful sunset.

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  • Charles January 17, 2025, 11:17 am

    Thanks for the look at life post-FI.

    Discovering this lil’ blog in high school changed my life. Thank god I had it before I started my career. On the stinginess to expensive scale, I’m in the “spend nothing” mode of my life. Living on $20,045 last year in an area where the cost of living is 150% the national average. Roommates, car-free, doing everything I can to reach FI.

    I’m turning 25 in a few months and should cross the $250k mark before then. Should safely beat the 31-year-old mark thrown down by MMM ;)

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  • Alexander January 17, 2025, 12:23 pm

    I track my income and expenses with a smartphone app. My expenses for 2024 amount to around €35,000, considering we are a family of four. The majority of the expenses are covered by me. We don’t forgo anything but are also not heavy consumers. In 2024, we spent over a month and a half on vacation, traveling all across Europe. I only buy clothes when my old ones are worn out. Our home is already paid off. I have a well-paying job, in my opinion, which allows me to save 50% of my income. I always try to optimize my fixed costs, whether it’s insurance, mobile tariffs, or subscriptions. Mobile tariffs in Austria are extremely cheap. For 50 GB of data, 1,000 minutes, and SMS, I pay only €4.90 per month. My credit card is free, as is my bank account, as long as I have my salary transferred there. Water can be drunk straight from the tap in our country as well.

    I would also like to buy a Tesla Model Y, but it doesn’t make sense for me at the moment. I bought my used cars five years ago for €5,500. If I apply an annual depreciation of €1,000 per year, the car is already paid off. Throughout the year, I’ve spent around €3,500 on the car, including all fees, insurance, highway tolls, and so on. During this time, I drove about 20,000 km. There’s very little I can optimize in these areas, so I focus more on my interests, spending time with my family and friends, and doing what I enjoy in my free time.

    I’m also curious about how MMM’s cost breakdown accounts for electricity or home insurance. Where are the expenses for clothing? Or have these positions already been included in another category?

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  • Glenn Nilsen January 17, 2025, 12:39 pm

    No charitable contributions?

    How do you look at the economics of self-insuring for property loss? Seems to be a big risk to have to rebuild a house vs cost of insurance (depends on location for sure).

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  • Em January 17, 2025, 12:40 pm

    At 29, I have been humbled in the past year as our good luck with health has already run out. I’m grateful for the progress we had made already and I’m glad we made sure we were having fun along the way, but I’m suddenly much too aware that you just can’t prepare for everything.

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  • FiveYearsAway January 17, 2025, 12:47 pm

    Thanks for the post MMM. You have shown how payment for life and lifestyle comes in many forms, and how being no longer (formally) employed allows you the time and space to access more “non-dollar currency.”

    Since your main form of currency is not dollars but bartered or shared time and expertise, I would find it interesting to see an annualized spreadsheet of your alternative forms of payment, your time (or other), and if you’re so inclined, what the dollar value of that is.

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  • Jeff Underwood January 17, 2025, 4:14 pm

    Great post, MMM! To answer your question at the end, being at Coast FIRE I feel pretty good that I’m living the anti-budget lifestyle and not needing to watch my spending anymore from month-to-month. My big focus this past year has been to take more vacations so my hearty sinking fund of $1000 a month into a vacation sub-account of my checking account has been a great motivator to consistently plan lots of trips to make good use of the money in there.

    I wanted to ask you for more details about your decision to no longer have Property Insurance insurance now that your home is fully paid off. Here in California, it seems like wildfires are a growing concern with each passing year, so I feel like I will always have Property Insurance. I was wondering if you ever worry about a fire or other natural disaster that could level your home, making the $2000 a year that you save a moot point and that savings being more cheap than frugal.

    Thank you for everything you do to continue to add to the FI/RE community!

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  • Boat2Riches January 17, 2025, 5:03 pm

    The most shocking part in all of this that you spent most of the year being single! How is that even possible?! In all seriousness, a great annual update. Keep on crushing it and cheers to a fantastic 2025

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  • Kazey January 17, 2025, 5:21 pm

    Property tax is so tiny, makes me wonder if the schools, libraries, public works, etc, are decent and properly maintained & managed.

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  • Andreas Schonger January 17, 2025, 8:38 pm

    Great reading your articles!
    Would you know of a group of FIRE – oriented people in the Tacoma/Seattle area? Looking to connect with some likeminded people now that my kids are almost grown up. Kind of lonely here.
    Come by and visit our organ shop when you’re in the area. A carpenter like you will certainly appreciate it! frittsorgan.com

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    • Patrick January 18, 2025, 9:02 am

      Yes there is a “ChooseFI Seattle” facebook group, and they have had some recent meetups in the Seattle area.

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  • Clare January 18, 2025, 5:36 am

    I have a problem with health care sharing plans that is explained much better than I can in this piece in Vox that was just posted 2 days ago https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/395077/health-insurance-cost-sharing-ministries-medical-bills. I hope your readers take a look at it before they dive in to one of these plans.

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    • Patrick January 18, 2025, 9:16 am

      Agree, they are entirely unregulated and you really have to read the fine print. What I found interesting is MMM is paying about the same amount I pay for an ACA gold plan for 2 after subsidy. So I have twice the coverage of him (2 people) for the same price, on a simpler arrangement (1 plan instead of 2) and a much lower deductible (gold plan) than a catastrophic plan.

      The problem is he probably doesn’t qualify for much subsidy because his income is too high (I believe the blog still makes a lot of money, plus other sources/business income). If he only needed to withdraw income equal to his annual expenses, he would qualify for a nearly full subsidy (until the incoming regime takes that away, if what they claim to do is actually done) because he’s living at 200% of FPL (federal poverty level). Not sure how shared custody impacts that, probably depends on who gets the dependency on their taxes.

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  • Roger January 18, 2025, 7:37 am

    I see you are in Tempe again this winter, I take it Culdesac was a good experience and warranted coming back? My wife and I have actually been eyeing Culdesac as a potential place to move to once our son finishes school in 3.5 years. We want to live somewhere cheaper with better weather than NYC, but we are not willing to give up our 100% car-free lifestyle, and Culdesac seemed like it could deliver. How have you found living there car-free with things like grocery shopping etc.? Is it as easy and pleasant as they say?

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  • blNKT January 18, 2025, 9:05 am

    HI FROM UK .. .. i moved from Canada 2 years ago … . i am from UK originally … so much cheaper here in UK … 150 uk pounds for top line house insurance .. . 5 pounds month mobile phone with 15GB and can roam free in Europe .. food is the best i have ever been in supermarkets . top quality and selection .. responsible sourced and so CHEAP . . . travel is amazing … i do miss north america . friends and the urban landscape is nicer in my eyes .. …
    our house cost 300K US …. big garden nice area . .. . i love your lifestyle . but we are older . i am FIRE too .

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  • Andrew January 18, 2025, 11:41 am

    MMM, I have a suggestion about how you can slash your already modest medical budget: learn about mindbody medicine. Learn about it on a deeply personal level. This concept is the key to the bane of many FIRE people; big bills from the medical industry. Learn to become your own best healer in a very literal, practical sense. You’re not too far from putting it together…it wont come as a surprise to you once you figure it out.

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  • Commoner January 18, 2025, 3:13 pm

    Another thing that’s 100% worth it – YouTube premium. It’s ~$150 per year, but ad free YouTube is worth every penny.

    Another way to spend a small amount, but to gain more free time (no ads!).

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  • Stephanie January 18, 2025, 3:34 pm

    There are whole line items on my budget that are totally absent from yours. Are you spending 0 on:
    – Entertainment (national park pass, museums, movies, events)
    – Gifts
    – Personal Care (haircuts, soap, occasional spa/nails, makeup – realize last 2 likely are 0 for a man)
    – Fitness (Gym, Workout classes)
    – Clothing/Electronics/Shopping
    – Maids (realize non-necessary, but talk about buying back your time! and could help you with your physical space issue)

    We’re millionaires in our 30s thanks in part to adopting some of your principles, but we’ve relaxed our frugality since hitting $1M. We are a decade from FIRE. Looking at these, we get a lot of enjoyment from each item esp. Entertainment (as well as much more restaurant spending to enjoy new types of food and high end food we could never make at home) so wouldn’t cut it to reach FIRE faster — except shopping, which we’ll be targeting reducing this year since we’re now happy with our wardrobes. But to each their own!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 19, 2025, 11:22 am

      I like this question Stephanie, thanks for the direct challenge:

      – Entertainment is part of the travel numbers, although it’s fairly minimal since I’m mostly a nature-for-entertainment guy
      – Gifts is part of Amazon (although similarly, I don’t usually give or receive manufactured items. For example as a gift for some good friends down the street, I renovated their kitchen alongside them while teaching them all the trades involved)
      – I’ve always done my own haircuts and those for my son https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFvIQ0r1RIY
      – I own two amazing gyms already – one is in my garage and at my coworking space https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/hq/
      – Clothing/Electronics/Shopping: Included in Amazon and some of those are in the Costco/Sam’s category under groceries
      – Maids: I enjoy taking care of my house, and DON’T enjoy having someone come out to clean it – I’ve had this experience before and it’s truly awkward and a net negative. We do however employ a cleaning crew for the coworking space which is a nice time saver.

      On the other hand, I spend a lot more on tools than most people, and I realize my desire to own every type of saw would be dismissed with a similar bullet point to the ones I listed above :-)

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  • Matt Ball January 18, 2025, 4:42 pm

    Hi MMM — I love seeing these low budgets! If you get a moment, I’d be very interested in seeing your Tesla depreciation numbers added to the overall budget. I did some car shopping last spring, and discovered that the total-cost-of-ownership for all the options I considered was in the $9000/year range, which I think would be a significant and material portion of the $20,000 personal annual budget! Thanks!

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  • Kev January 19, 2025, 6:33 am

    Go to Disneyland a couple times if you really want this experiment to work.

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  • Feral January 19, 2025, 7:53 am

    Great update. I’m not sure how close you are to turning 60, but keep an eye on that re: Sedera. After my husband turned 60 our membership almost doubled. Although he has had zero medical issues his whole life and still busts out 50 mile trail runs, they would not budge. We eventually went back to “traditional” insurance. The Sedera numbers no longer penciled out. Thanks again for being a great source of information over the years.

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  • Travis January 19, 2025, 11:13 am

    Great Post MMM! With regard to the DPC and Sedera, you mentioned you have a HDHP. Do you also (or can you) contribute to an HSA?

    My wife and I are covered under a family HDHP, and max out our family HSA every year. The idea of concierge medicine or Direct Primary Care is incredibly appealing to us and we have researched it thoroughly. The only thing stopping us is the ambiguity in current tax laws that make it unclear as to whether or not you can pay for Direct Primary Care AND continue to contribute to an HSA.

    I went down the rabbit hole of research on this and have found no definitive answers, other than that current tax laws (and some vary by state) do not allow HSA dollars to pay for fees associated with Direct Primary Care. I can deal with paying out of pocket for a DPC service that is not considered an HSA eligible expense, but it would be a real kick in the Mustache to be told I was now entirely ineligible to contribute to my HSA just because I had the DPC.

    I think the issue is that the current IRS tax laws claim that Direct Primary Care is considered “additional insurance”, and that would therefore disqualify the HDHP (which is logistically stupid in my opinion). Why shouldn’t I be allowed to pay for a doctor out of pocket if I so choose and not use insurance? The HDHP is there for catastrophic events, not necessarily for covering a visit to a physician of my own choosing. Obviously this is a very personal choice and would not apply to everyone, but I digress…

    I found some legislation on the books that proposes to change the language to redefine DPC as a medical expense and not as insurance, but nothing on whether that legislation has passed.

    I scanned the comments on this post and did not see anything in the ballpark of this question. So have any you CPA’s or CFP’s out there (or just anyone in general) come across this dilemma? Would love to hear Pete’s or any fellow Mustachians’ thoughts on this. Can I have a HDHP, contribute to my HSA, and pay for Direct Primary Care without the IRS knocking on my door?

    Thanks for any insights, this community is the best!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 20, 2025, 8:50 am

      Great questions Travis, and maybe someone else who is more optimization-oriented can answer this. I know they go into great detail on this in online forums including our own: https://forum.mrmoneymustache.com/

      My answer is: I don’t know simply because I’m not really interested in tax optimization. I never even bothered to get an HSA (Health Savings Account) even when I was eligible, because it wasn’t worth the effort of doing something I don’t enjoy just to save money. Likewise with tweaking Roth IRA versus regular 401ks, the 529 educational savings account and other tricks.

      For those who enjoy it, go for it! But I’m here to say that taxes are already so low here in the US that you can do just fine even without getting too strategic. Instead, I use the mental energy and time saved to spend more time outside, build more stuff, get more exercise, etc. There will still be plenty of money to go around.

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  • NecroposterExtreme January 20, 2025, 3:43 am

    Lifestyle engineering par excellence;
    An inspiring read as always
    Learning points.
    1. Sans healthcare Colorado is culturally European and fiscally midwestern – win win
    2. MMM has once again astutely exploited the widening gulf between price and value in a market economy to become a hedonist on the sly/cheap
    3. America is extremistan
    4. Everyone is insufferable and debases themselves when discussing politics

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  • Rosswise January 20, 2025, 3:55 am

    I hear you Pete. I have been retired for 5 years. Worked an extra 9 months to just have a little extra security and I cannot for the life of me spend more than 3% of my total portfolio value a year. Even treated myself and the wife to an extra generous Christmas where I bought a new TV and built a PS5 Pro-killing gaming PC. My end of the year totals are less than 3%. Its a great problem to have but I think I worked too long.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 20, 2025, 8:45 am

      Yep – almost everybody does that. I hope somebody out there sees these words we are sharing right now and cuts themselves off from the temptation of “One More Year Syndrome”.

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  • Todd January 20, 2025, 7:48 am

    I love the post, incredibly encouraging and validates assumptions that I have been working on. We are debt free both working part-time and literally struggle to spend in the 40k range. Keep up the posting, it is helpful for most retirees young or older.

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  • algood22 January 20, 2025, 8:11 am

    Firstly, your articles have transformed my relationship to money and personal financial stability so thank you. I’ve been a reader for over ten years and look forward to every new one.

    It’s been interesting to balance the thrill of consumption efficiency and the occasional indulgence. Like everything else, the journey is the point. Much like the article you wrote about boat ownership, once the overwhelming joy dissipates from the experience I find peace in reverting back to my lean consumption budget. I wait for another one-off longing to surface, weigh it for a while and then dive in; maximizing the joy. It’s been a fruitful cycle thus far.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 20, 2025, 8:43 am

      That’s a really way fun to describe it and I feel the same way. A form of Hacking Hedonic Adaptation. Thanks for sharing!

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  • figuy January 21, 2025, 10:12 am

    What town do you think would be best to buy that “Friends Mountain Resort” in if you had to pick one?

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  • Alkalain January 21, 2025, 11:31 am

    Hello MMM!
    It would be awesome if one of these days you could do a piece on those “retirement visas” offered by many countries to US/Canadian citizens if you live there 6 months and a day, and that let’s you save all or almost all income tax from your pension revenues, plus many other discounts ( by becoming residents).
    Not all of your readers have paid off houses or even houses at all. I myself decided to rent after separating and selling the condo.
    Some of us will have to find ways to live well abroad with our pension revenue and savings because Canada (in my case), and I presume the US and the rest of the West, is becoming insanely expensive. I know it’s a complex subject but it would be super interesting to hear your take on that subject.
    Thanks for another inspiring piece!

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  • Danielle January 22, 2025, 9:39 am

    I would love to see you dive into some of the costs for a person with a disability. My son recently turned 18 and has a physical disability that we are both learning to navigate. We don’t have the fortune of good luck with health, since he’s had two surgeries and will likely need a third this year. We also expect him to be in some form of physical therapy or other exercise program indefinitely. There are a lot of rules and policies about disability income (we haven’t even started that process, it seems very complicated and overwhelming), but there are savings limits and other income limits that seem designed to make it impossible for people to invest in themselves or their long-term futures.

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  • Vicky January 22, 2025, 2:58 pm

    Can you please share what tool and process you use to track expenses? I need something that is user-friendly for someone who is not very mathematically inclined.

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  • Troy January 22, 2025, 4:46 pm

    Appreciate another spending article, and also your transparency in listing out your business expenses.

    I chuckle at a lot of the comments saying how can X be so cheap or Y isn’t realistic, like all you have to do is understand that different people value different things, and this can lead to wildly different spending.

    I’m grateful you mentioned the part about your house ‘subsidy’, I did some quick math with https://www.mortgagecalculator.org/ and with a 600k house using current numbers, you would be spending about $3500 extra a month, or an extra 42k a year! So when everyone looks and says that your spending isn’t realistic or not applicable to them, they really don’t appreciate how much fully owning and having a paid off house really impacts your FIRE numbers. That is one of the big reasons I’m pro buy rather than rent, just because once your house is paid off it ridiculously lowers your housing costs.

    As for me, I’m finally quitting and starting FIRE Feb 7th and I’m stoked. I still have to figure out what I’m doing for health insurance, it will probably be a high deductible obamacare option but not a huge concern as I’m young and healthy and work out to try and stay that way.

    I did want to shout you out for being one of my big inspirations to living more frugally and saving money and making the changes necessary to achieve FI. If you come out to Oahu again would be glad to buy ya a beer or surf a wave or whatever.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 24, 2025, 8:40 am

      Right! It’s tricky these days to account for housing expenditures in one’s FIRE numbers, because the price of US housing has become irrationally inflated in recent years.

      Which is especially weird because in the early years of this blog (2011-2013) we had the opposite situation: our houses were among the cheapest in the rich world and were often selling for less than the construction cost (and thus there wasn’t much new construction for a few years).

      Anyway, nowadays renting is often a better value than buying in the more expensive cities. But for people trying to retire early on lower or middle incomes, it makes more sense than ever to spread out, find a good smaller town with nice people and good access to nature, and buy a place there. When you combine this with DIY skills so you can restore a cheaper place to become as nice as you want it, the American Dream of a paid off house in a place you love to live is still alive and well.

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  • Carl January 24, 2025, 4:25 pm

    I definitely recommend everyone get a Tesla, but there have been issues with the used ones. So be sure to do careful research on those issues if you choose to go the route of getting a used one.

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  • Papa Jon February 4, 2025, 10:18 am

    Are you in Longmont, CO? I did a quick search, and it looks like homes in the $500-600K range typically have property taxes around $3-3.5K. Are there any deductions or exemptions that might be lowering yours? For example, 913 Collyer St is valued at $560,400 and has a tax of $3,239.06.

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  • Southeast February 5, 2025, 2:31 am

    Thanks for posting this, MMM.

    I’ve been retired for almost three years now and have been pleasantly surprised by how little it costs. I’m very nomadic and spend most of the year traveling the world. I mostly stay in comfortable Airbnbs, but nothing too fancy. I eat what I want, go to cultural events and historic places, and attend educational conferences that I’m interested in. I’s been wonderful to look at the totals at the end of the year and see how much I’ve done with what I’ve spent. And this without being stingy.

    I really don’t have expensive tastes. I’m not spending as much as I’m able to using four percent as a guideline. And a seasonal part-time job has brought the net spending down to a very minimal level, I’ve thought recently how I can be spending more, but I’m finding it a bit difficult since I’m already doing what I want.

    –side note. Keeping track of all spending and categorizing it has really helped with peace of mind up to this point. I almost wish I could let this part go as crazy spending is not an issue with me. I think it might allow my mind some freedom from a false need to worry about breaking the bank, but it’s such an ingrained habit that I think it would be hard to stop doing it.

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  • deep February 7, 2025, 7:59 pm

    Trying to build a similar community in INDIA. Please take a look at https://theroadtohappyfire.blogspot.com/2025/01/why-should-you-be-conscious-spender.html

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  • James A February 8, 2025, 8:08 am

    We are about 65% sure we are going to pull the trigger and retire this summer, thanks in no small part to finding your blog eleven years ago. Our budget is nowhere near as frugal as yours, but it is much more conservative than other people in our income bracket, so we have still managed to save tremendous amounts of money. I am really thankful for your continued service to ourselves and people similarly situated. It looks like you had a lot of fun this year and I’m really happy to know that.

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  • Jason February 8, 2025, 1:54 pm

    Wow, it just goes to show how massive the impact of housing is on a budget. the majority of my budget is the same as yours….before including the financing, maintenance and depreciation of the house. This more than doubles the budget!

    I think it is important to include these costs in your budget even if you bought a house for two nickels pre-pandemic. Housing repair and maintenance are real costs even if they don’t happen to occur this year and holding hundreds of thousands of dollars out of the market is another big cost. Accounting for these costs would produce a relatable budget that is much more in alignment with the median household in America…maybe even aspirationally within reach!

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  • EJ February 9, 2025, 11:55 am

    It seems to me that an increase of spending from $20,000 to $30,000 is a 50% increase, which is pretty significant.

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  • Crow February 11, 2025, 10:02 am

    Very interesting to see it is possible to live a fun life without worrying about spending too much money, and still spend $30,000 a year. I am surrounded by people that have high paying jobs, and yet due to their spending (some, like taking care of parents, are unavoidable) they are tight on money and barely save.
    I wonder what your approach to student loans is? I plan on going to Vet school, which will cost me $170,000, on top of the 60,000 bachelors degree that I’m already taking out loans for. Do you have any advice on how to pay off principals/interests?

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  • David February 17, 2025, 9:15 am

    Happy to see this post. Personally I think money is a tool that should be used according to your means. Once you have it in abundance, everything shifts. I have much more than I need, so for me it wouldn’t be virtuous to withhold it from others. I spend to support what I value as well as enhance my own life. Win win. I’ll never buy cheap food if I can support a local farmer, baker, brewer. I have a second home, a camp on a lake. It’s expensive, in part because it’s within an old lodge association and there are monthly fees. But in addition to adding immeasurably to the quality of my life, including the satisfaction of restoring an old camp built in 1898, my fees provide employment to several people who love their work. I give considerably to charitable causes, especially for bike transit, trails, and wildlife conservation, but in my experience effective giving is complicated and difficult. We can do so much good simply by spending well in our daily choices, reverberating through our communities. What do we want to see, more big box stores filled with goods from far away, or more local craftsmen, main street businesses, bike repair shops, farmers markets? All that good stuff is expensive and I don’t think twice about paying for what I value. It’s so much more satisfying than saving a few bucks.

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