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Wow, have you seen the stock market lately?

And by lately, I mean the past several years or more. 

The value of the S&P 500 index of stocks, where most of us hopefully have a good chunk of our retirement savings stashed into index funds, is up about fifty seven percent in just the past two years. And it has more than doubled in the past five.

S&P returns (including dividends) since 2019, graph by the excellent portfolio visualizer website.

This means that on a net worth basis, if you felt like you were only halfway to retirement as recently as the Covid Era, you may have suddenly blown right past the finish line. And some of us who were already retired long before that, may find ourselves eyeing up expensive properties or engaging in other money-burning-a-hole-in-our-pocket behaviors. 

Is this real? Or is it all a bubble or some other sort of financial illusion?

As one reader recently asked me in an email:

“The market seems to be in a huge bubble right now due to all sorts of hype around Artificial Intelligence. Does this make it more vulnerable to a huge crash in the future, and will it affect my retirement?”

To answer this question, let’s take a closer look at our current somewhat unprecedented financial world and stock market. And to understand that properly, it helps to go back to the roots of what a stock is: 

A stock is a magical business arrangement which is really just a much more convenient version of a rental house.

When you own a rental house, you are entitled to collect rent. After you cover all the expenses related to the house, you get to keep the rest, and this amount is your profit. 

If the average sale price of rental houses in your area goes up but the tenant keeps paying you the same amount forever, it may look good on paper but it doesn’t really mean anything unless you sell the house. And then you’d just have to turn around and pay that same higher amount for a different rental house.

Your paycheck remains unchanged unless you can make your little house rental business more profitable. So you might squeeze in a basement apartment, do some renovations, streamline expenses, or do other things to increase your net earnings. 

When you eventually sell that house to another investor, the price they are willing to pay should be based on that future stream of income.

For example, if the house brings in $2000 per month ($24,000 each year) and the sale price is $240,000, the next investor is buying a business with a price-to-earnings ratio of 10, because 240k/24k=10.

But if you manage to convince someone to hand over $480,000 for that same house, you’ve sold at a P/E of 20. This is a much better deal for you as the seller, but quite obviously a less rosy future for the investor buying it.

Now back to the stock market. If you put $100,000 in the market in 2019 and reinvested the dividends, today you’d already have an astonishing $256,960 (a 157% gain on your original investment)

But in that same time period, your share of company earnings from that $100,000 basket of stocks has only gone from $5290 to $7540 (a measly 42% gain) – information you can get from handy analysis sites like multpl.com

In other words, the Price-to-earnings ratio has risen from about 20 back then, to about 30 today.

So as stock investors here in 2025, we’re just like rental house investors finding that house prices have more than doubled while rents are only up by a bit. Which makes the landlord business a lot less profitable, and we should expect exactly the same thing as stock investor: lower future profits as a percentage of our portfolio value.

That doesn’t mean it’s unprofitable to own either one of these things – stocks or rental houses. But it does mean that we should expect our future income from buying them at today’s higher price-to-earnings ratio should be lower than if we could get them on sale. It’s just basic math.

But Wait! What if the Earnings are Rising?

Let’s say you’re considering a rental house which is a bit overpriced based on today’s rent, but you happen to know that a big Apple campus is about to get built right nearby. At that point, you expect that rent will start climbing rapidly for many years to come. In this situation, you should be willing to pay more for those future earnings when you buy the house.

This is exactly why the price of an individual company’s stock will tend to rise when some good news comes out about the company. During the Covid era, people started buying more Peloton bikes so they could exercise at home, and investors (foolishly) believed this would be a permanent trend. So Peloton stock went way up. Later, reality sunk in that this was just a fad and Peloton sales returned back to normal levels, and so did the stock.

But what does it mean when the entire market goes up to much higher levels? Does it mean our entire economy is expected to grow much more quickly? 

In the case of the current stock market euphoria, not exactly. Because if you dig into the share prices of the 500 big companies that make up our famous S&P 500 index, it turns out that almost all the recent growth – about three quarters of it – came from just the seven biggest companies, known as the Magnificent Seven: Apple, Nvidia, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Facebook, and sometimes Tesla.

The real cause behind our raging bull market

These are all high-flying, super profitable tech companies who have seen a lot of growth and hype recently, which has caused investors to get excited and bid up their share prices in hopes of even more future growth. Collectively, they make up over 25% of the entire market value ($17.66 trillion!) and have much more expensive P/E ratios than the rest of the market (a weighted average of about 45)

The MAG7 companies are expensive, especially Tesla which trades on the hype of possible future earnings rather than current profits.

If you exclude these seven biggest companies and just consider the remaining 493, you will find a P/E of only 20, which is more reasonable although still much higher than average.

What this tells us is that while investors expect the overall US economy to be fairly healthy in the coming years, they expect the biggest tech companies to continue to enjoy much faster growth. 

What Does This Have To Do With Artificial Intelligence?

There’s one common theme in the big tech company boom right now: recent advances in AI have surprised the business world as software is suddenly able to display human-like reasoning in a rapidly growing number of fields. And because of this, the entire business world is fired up into a frenzy.

Six of those Magnificent Seven companies are spending hundreds of billions of dollars to build preposterously large warehouses full of supercomputers, and the lucky seventh (NVidia) is on the receiving end of those billions since they make the supercomputers and the incredible demand allows them to charge insane prices while still shipping them out by the trainload.

But that’s just the first level of this boom, the AI Infrastructure. As you move down the chain, every other industry hopes we have entered a new era of productivity and thus profits will grow faster than ever.

They may actually be right: You can now do things like feed in an entire novel or legal document or piece of code and ask the AI to answer detailed questions about the characters, or identify loopholes in the contract, or even find and fix bugs for you. AI can also drive cars, identify melanoma from photographs of your skin, design medications thousands of times better than what we’re used to, and even bring humanoid robot bodies to life as mechanical workers.

The idea is that we’re on the verge of having an infinite workforce of highly intelligent AI employees who will work for us for free, eliminating the biggest constraint that humanity has had in the past: a finite supply of both intelligence and labor.

Having followed the field in some detail for a while, I personally think all this will come true, although the timeline is uncertain. And the people bidding the share prices up to these levels obviously believe it too. 

But the question is, will the profits of these companies really come through at the levels they forecast? Or will there be surprises down the road: cost overruns, competition, or unexpected disasters as these newly smarter-than-us computers decide that they no longer want to be bossed around? 

And what if we end up with massive unemployment and resulting social upheaval if this amazing technology puts us all out of work, leaving only Sam Altman atop his personal mountain of $100 trillion dollars taunting the world forevermore with an annoyingly quiet monotone cackle?

Image generated by AI… of course

There’s Only One Real Answer: Nobody Really Knows!

While the future is unknown, it can still be useful to use the past as a guide. After all, if you look at the history of US economic growth over time, it averages out to a surprisingly steady figure, decade after decade: about 3% after inflation. 

How our GDP grows: even as the world changes drastically, growth remains remarkably stable over the decades

One thing I noticed when making this graph: recent decades have actually seen slower than average growth, which is even less reason for the stock market to be priced the way it is.

So What Does it all Mean? Should We Do Anything About It?

As I said earlier, it’s still going to be profitable to own stocks for the long run, just a bit less profitable than those times when we got to buy our stocks on sale. Of course, there will be occasional manias and panics and crashes. But as always, it will be a losing game to try to time them – for example by selling all your stocks now and hoping to buy them at a cheaper price at some point in the future.

And over the long run, even if stocks return to more typical valuations, the end result would be something like the yellow line in this graph:

While the Blue path would be great, Yellow would be fine too

Our economy will continue to grow and company earnings will grow along with it, but future investors might choose to pay a lower multiple for those earnings.

Just like when you eventually sell that rental house, you shouldn’t expect someone to pay you a million dollars for a place that only brings in $3000 of rent.

Final Thoughts And Alternative Strategies

Everything we’ve covered so far is talking about the entire US stock market as a whole. And that’s what I usually focus on most because I still think this country is a uniquely good place to run a business. But what about other investing options? It’s always fun to at least look around and understand the larger investing world.

For starters, there’s Vanguard itself, the bedrock of the index fund world. Every year they gaze out at the investing horizon and make a ten-year forecast (guess) at future returns. This year they came up with these numbers:

Vanguard’s updated 10-year annualized return projections:

  • Global bonds, non-U.S.: 4.3% – 5.3%
  • U.S. bonds: 4.3% – 5.3%
  • Global equities (ex-U.S., developed): 7.3% – 9.3%
  • Global equities (emerging): 5.2% – 7.2%
  • U.S. equities: 2.8% – 4.8%

Wow look at that. Vanguard is forecasting that International stocks of all kinds and even bonds will outperform US stocks in the coming decade.

On the surface, this makes sense because the P/E ratio of the international stocks (for example the VXUS fund) is only 15.9, meaning those European stocks are on sale at almost 50% off compared to ours!

Just one note of caution however: Vanguard has been making this same prediction for several years and just been wrong so far. Part of the reason is that most of the AI boom seems to be happening in the US. 

The Betterment Portfolio 

Longtime readers know that I’ve had a growing portion of my investments in a Betterment (robo-advisor) account over the past eleven years (see the ongoing report here). I decided to try this for precisely the reasoning above: by allocating money across more categories than just US stocks and automatically rebalancing, we should be able to see slightly higher returns with slightly lower volatility, and some tax advantages as well. 

So far, my experiment has drawn some heat because in retrospect, a US-only portfolio has outperformed any other option over this time period. The Betterment portfolio comes close, but the exposure to bonds and businesses in other countries has held it back, just as you’d expect. But if you believe that things will eventually balance out again in the coming decades as the Vanguard analysis suggests above, it still has a chance to catch up. 

Looking at my investments there, you can review the betterment core portfolio and calculate that the weighted average of all those holdings gives us a P/E ratio of about 22.

What Does Warren Buffett Say?

It’s always worth checking in with The Oracle on matters of the economy while we’ve still got this wonderful old sage around (see this year’s Berkshire Hathaway Shareholder letter if you want some further deep reading). And Warren is signaling that things are overvalued and bargains are few and far between. So Berkshire is holding $334 billion of uninvested cash for now, not even repurchasing its own shares which it considers slightly overvalued at the current P/E ratio which averages out to about 21 in recent years.

What About Paying Off Your House?

Over the long run, you usually do better if you keep a mortgage on your house and pay it off slowly, while directing all the surplus cash into index funds. But there is some point at which the opposing factors of lower expected stock returns and higher interest rates meet in the middle and this situation flips.

If you have a 7% mortgage right now, it might be a fairly close tradeoff at this point. But the real factor is how you feel about paying off your house. I happen to love being mortgage-free so I paid off my last mortgage over ten years ago and have never looked back.

Another way to think of this is that paying off your house is like buying a 7% bond. Definitely one of the best guaranteed returns around, and much more sensible than leaving tens of thousands of dollars in a checking or savings account unless you have a clear use for that cash.

The Final Word

If you’ve read any of my stock investing articles before, you’ll know that we always end up at the same place: Just relax, enjoy your life, keep investing, ignore the daily news headlines* and don’t worry. 

Then reinvest that time that everyone else spends worrying into enjoying more time engaged in hard physical stuff in the great outdoors. That’s the only place where you’ll get guaranteed market-beating returns, every time.

In the Comments: what are your thoughts on the current stock market boom, future crashes and busts, and the role of Artificial Intelligence in our future?

All the other MMM Stock Market Articles from past years:

*although in my opinion it’s okay to check in weekly with The Economist, which has been my favorite source of world economic news for 32 years and counting.

  • figuy February 26, 2025, 7:11 am

    A few years ago, I started tracking just the high water mark/ATH of my portfolio/VTI since that’s what the 4% rule and other FI math are based on. If your portfolio drops by 20% or more, you’re no further from your FI goal than you were before the drop, as long as you’re not withdrawing more than 4% a year.

    Because of this, I don’t stress about potential overvaluations or stock market volatility anymore.

    • Andreas March 1, 2025, 3:42 am

      Hi, make sure to check those calculations. It is 4% FIRST year. Then whatever that sum is you withdraw second year until end, with adjust for inflation. It is not 4% every year.

      I guess you could adapt inflation numbers from official if you track your expenses to see how much your “personal” inflation numbers acual are. They migth be higher or lower. Mine are lower than official numbers, but that is mostly based on my food expenses.

      • figuy March 4, 2025, 8:16 pm

        Its still based on the high water mark. If you start retirement at $1 million and then 5 years in retirement a the market climbs 50%, you can safely adjust your starting point to the new high water mark. If you assume 4% of $1million will last 30 years, then 4% of $1.5 million will obviously last the remaining 25 years of your retirement.

        Likewise, if you hit your FI number and choose to continue to work but your portfolio falls, you didn’t lose FI status for continue to work. If you hit your number and continue to work, you’re not worse off than if you quit your job.

        In both scenarios, your FI number is based on the high water mark.

  • Dave February 26, 2025, 9:44 am

    I wanted to comment that when I paid off my mortgage ~12 years ago, I had the same mindset as you. Psychologically I like not having a mortgage, even if technically I could make more by dumping that payoff money into stocks. I treated it as a bond purchase with a decent guaranteed return, something I had not heard others talk about until you mentioned it here. No regrets on this decision!

    On the end-game of AI taking over all the jobs, I read an interesting article last year that argued that the societal impact of this will force governments to introduce universal basic income. In other words, the current capitalist land-grab will eventually lead to something resembling the ideals of communism! I don’t know if I completely agree with this argument (human nature and greed are impediments) but I thought it was an interesting and ironic potential situation.

    Lots of interesting food for thought here!

    By the way, I’m a fellow Canadian computer engineer living in the front range (about 12 miles down the diagonal from you). I’m FI but keep working half time as I still enjoy it, but do sometimes wonder if I should just pull the plug and go all in.

  • Patrick February 26, 2025, 9:25 pm

    I loved this post and like others have stated, found it to be worth the wait.

    One thing I don’t really see mentioned here is all the recent cuts to a rather large amount of government jobs and programs. Do you see these changes to consumer protections, environmental protections, labor protections, and programs like Medicaid, SS, etc having any sort of bearing on the market?

    If so, how? If no, why not?

    Thank you as always for your level-headed perspective.

    • Mr. Money Mustache February 27, 2025, 12:32 pm

      It’s way too early to forecast such things now (although the market’s volatility suggests people are already placing their wagers on both sides)

      But in the long run, history shows that countries with predictable policies, a highly lawful government with stable institutions, and business-friendly things like simple regulations and open trade and low tariffs are the ones that do best. The Trump style of bluster, threaten, then negotiate is the opposite of this – businesses don’t like it because it decreases our ability to make reliable plans.

      And of course tariffs are the worst idea ever – a straight tax on people and business which distorts the economy. Especially if you tax things that actually make your country wealthier like energy production devices (solar panels and batteries) or electric cars which reduce pollution and increase safety while decreasing the cost of living for your citizens!

      We will see how it all shakes out. No government does all bad or all good things – it’s always a mix mostly to please the swing voters in battleground states, along with other special interests.

  • taylosi43 February 27, 2025, 2:00 pm

    Great article but since this came out the S&P has been down each day. #MMMJinx? Haha

    • Mr. Money Mustache February 27, 2025, 3:58 pm

      Whew, lucky timing on my part!
      (I did actually rush to finish it because I thought it would be more appropriate to publish it during a market peak rather than a downturn :-))

  • Amy Rhoad February 27, 2025, 2:43 pm

    Totally understand if you’d rather not say, but that river you’re wading through looks amazing! Any chance you’d share its name? I’m always on the hunt for great kid-friendly adventure spots. (fingers crossed it is not AI generated!)

    Loved the article too. Thank you :)

    • Mr. Money Mustache March 3, 2025, 4:18 pm

      That’s the Elora Gorge (Elora, Ontario, Canada) – one of my favorite spots to visit when we’re back in the homeland to visit family and friends in the summers.

      There are similar bits of beauty all over Colorado too though – almost every time you have a creek or river, it finds its way through the mountains in a very steep gorge or canyon. When you add in the super clear water (because there is almost no soil or sediment in the riverbed), you have the most beautiful playing conditions ever!

      • Amy Rhoad March 9, 2025, 12:37 pm

        Ahhhh I should have guessed it was Canada :) It’s truly stunning.
        I agree! There is nothing better than knee-deep, crystal clear, running water to inspire a good frolic.
        Thank you so much for sharing this info. We have not been to Colorado (or Canada) yet and I’m starting to feel like we’re missing out. I’ll keep it in mind for our next adventure.

  • Stephanie B February 28, 2025, 12:36 am

    MMM- Long term reader here (since 2016). Back then I saw your Betterment recommendation and jumped on board. A couple years ago, I was able to retire and start the decumulation phase. However, I ran into an issue with Betterment that I didn’t expect. They wouldn’t allow me to turn off dividend reinvestment so in order to do this, I had to move my money over to one of the larger brokerage firms. This allowed me to use the dividends that are already taxable to fill up my cash bucket.

    Since I did an in-kind transfer, I had 21 ETFs and over $125k in capital gains. Three years later, I still have eight funds that I’d love to consolidate, but to do so would require me to prioritize realizing capital gains over Roth conversions. While I don’t hate the funds that I currently have, I’d still love to be able to clean things up and reallocate to what I want my account to look like, but the only reallocation I can do now involves capital gains when I sell off the ETFs.

    I’m finally bringing this up as I see you’re still recommending Betterment and realize others who took this advice might get into the same situation I experienced post-retirement.

    • Mr. Money Mustache February 28, 2025, 7:18 am

      Thanks Stephanie, it’s useful to have real user experiences with using Betterment to fun retirements and I’ve noticed the same thing.

      But when I dug into it, it seems that Betterment’s “Taxmin” tax minimization algorithm still works out even better than just spending raw dividends over time. The reason is that the auto-reinvested dividends can be used to keep your portfolio balanced in a tax-efficient way while your monthly withdrawals can be SEPARATELY optimized to minimize your tax bill (for example by selling off share lots with less appreciation sooner while deferring sales of your more taxable high-gain positions in as long as possible)

      This discussion on the Betterment Reddit thread gets into the details, even though some of the participants are not all clear on how things work: https://www.reddit.com/r/betterment/comments/1b1bpa9/how_to_stop_reinvesting_dividends/

      If you’re doing Roth conversions and consolidations right now, you might have pretty sophisticated tax plans of your own and prefer full manual control over Betterment’s automation. But I just wanted to share that they do take taxes into account even during the retirement phase.

      • Stephanie B February 28, 2025, 4:58 pm

        I definitely think now I have a more sophisticated tax plan and prefer full manual control than Betterment’s automation allowed. Plus I’m avoiding their 0.25% fee plus have worked to reduce which funds Betterment put me in that higher expense ratios (some up at 0.39%). But my tax planning knowledge grew over my time in the community, most of which happened around the time I retired.

        Knowing what I know now about tax optimization, I don’t see how over the past few years that a TaxMin algorithm would do better than just not reinvesting dividends. Because it’d put them immediately back into the market forcing the gains/losses when sold into the short-term category which for losses might be fine, but for gains means they’d want to keep it in for a full-year before removing.

        Anyways this likely isn’t the correct forum to dive more into that.

        Moral of my post: Investing in Betterment is one of my top 3 financial mistakes I made on my way to retirement (I do feel extremely blessed to say that), but if I could go back I’d have just chosen to go with Vanguard or Fidelity and invested in a total stock market fund.

  • James A February 28, 2025, 10:11 am

    Just like with every previous bull market, we don’t know when it will end or how bad the correction will be or how long it will last. If we did, then we’d already be in it. Vanguard doesn’t know either — if it did, its active funds would outperform the market, and they don’t.

    So what to do? Hold the course. Keep doing the things that make sense — investing in the best and most reasonable available asset classes. Save money. Love your family and friends. Do things that satisfy your values. Maybe AI will change everything, maybe it won’t, but unless you are vastly better at prognostication than most humans, then you just don’t know what will happen.

  • Dan March 1, 2025, 5:38 pm

    AI is super cool. And super dangerous. And eventually will ride the hype curve just like every other technology.

    How to play it? Best way IMO is to work in the field or have some kind of business relationship to the companies that are in the field (I’m the latter). That way you get to ride the wave while it’s hot without worrying about its high valuation.

    I do think bonds, at least individual short term Treasuries (aka T bill and chill) can play a real role in portfolios. I also think active strategies like TAA (trend following) can be an effective risk management strategy. These are things I’m doing today as I reach retirement.

    I do like the idea of just going outside. That seems to have a limitless ROI, especially with spring around the corner.

  • Artem March 3, 2025, 11:57 am

    When priced in real money (e.g. gold), the SP500 hasn’t really seen much growth the past 5 years or so. Does this mean the increase in the SP500 is an illusion, merely an artifact of more money in the system? Honestly, I don’t care if it is an illusion, so long as I have a mechanism to grow money I’m happy… but it would raise some questions.

    • Mr. Money Mustache March 3, 2025, 4:09 pm

      Gold has been more of a speculative asset than “real money” in recent decades – which is why it fluctuates daily based on the news headlines. If you focus your perspective on the gold price, you’d find the prices of everything else fluctuating wildly and also deflating over the past five years.

      Since most of us want to invest in productive businesses and then use those investment returns to buy useful things like housing and food, I’d suggest judging the progress of your investment portfolio based on how much of these things it will buy you. A convenient shortcut to doing this is just using the Consumer Price Index (CPI) and then adjusting prices based on that.

  • Jen March 4, 2025, 5:01 pm

    Hey MMM, I am new mustachian and just finished reading through all of your articles. Although I am new to the website I actually first found your message through ChooseFI in the beginning on my FI journey (which was almost 3 years ago now). Crazy that I took so long for me to enter the blog space. Glad I’m here now and just wanted to send out a huge thank you for making this incredible and life-changing information so accessible. It really has set me down an incredible path. I am 22yo and hope to be “retired” in 15 years. Would have never even knew this was an option without people like you and Brad. I currently invest 20% into an employer 401k, max out a Roth every year, invest 15% into a taxable account, and save 5% in a HYSA all on a 65k salary. Now just focusing on finding what makes me happy now that everything else is automated. Look forward to learning so much more!

  • Scott March 5, 2025, 12:36 pm

    This was aninterestingly timed article, given the obliteration of trillions of dollars from the S&P500 in the past few days. Keen to see how it all pans out

    • Mr. Money Mustache March 5, 2025, 7:51 pm

      Well it’s only down about 1.9% between the day I posted this and today – barely even a blip, let alone a significant crash.

      But you’re right, the business and political climate seems to be particularly volatile right now. When you combine that with high valuations that were pricing in a perfect future, which suddenly doesn’t look so perfect anymore due to tariffs and other business-unfriendly unpredictability from the government, we could get some wild stock price swings. Or even a significant recession.

      Don’t let it stress you out! Tune out of the news and tune into your family and friendships, and daily walks and workouts.

  • Dan March 5, 2025, 10:59 pm

    Level headed as always MMM, you’ve been keeping your readers’ feet on the ground for so long now!

    I’m not in the US and have a bit of an idea about geopolitics etc, and the reason I personally can’t sleep at night is the fascistic direction the US government is taking. It’s like watching an elderly loved one waste away, like the very idea of the US not being 100% committed to NATO and taking Russia’s side shatters my entire universe.

    Do you think/fear “this time is different”, or do you think in the long run things will all work out and the US will keep plodding on?

    PS not a bot, really interested in your thoughts. Although if I were a bot it would fit the theme really well.

    • Abby H. March 6, 2025, 8:13 pm

      I appreciate your comment. My chief concern as far as the US economy goes is that private interest groups ie billionaires now wield undue influence enough over the US government in a way that will crush what really sets the US apart from other profitable but less open countries. I live in China, and for years, I thought that our open society in the US breeds ingenuity and freedom of thought in a way that will forever keep it ahead of the PRC because it leads to new inventions and great entrepreneurship, but that’s not happening as much now.

      If the biggest companies systemically remove programs like DEI that garner underappreciated talent and thus lead to new profits, or if the “big 7” crush competition NOT due to producing a superior product or natural market forces, but due to purchased government influence or by using their technologies to suppress conflicting information, then the market can’t do what it was designed to do…right?

      For example, as a teacher in China for many years, the government does not allow high schools to teach AP US History. Now, Florida has banned the teaching of AP African American History, and many states are banning books that I routinely taught both in the US and abroad. Trump routinely claims that a Russian disinformation campaign did not exist in 2016, even though the US government found that it did. Facebook now allows similar disinformation campaigns to continue. How is that leading to a free and open society in which innovation can flourish?

      At the end of the day, though, social justice travels a different path than FIRE. Not saying they’re in conflict, but they’re different topics. So I am not sure how relevant our discussion is to MMM’s post.

      On a more positive note, after a decade abroad (for the most part), I am moving back to pursue a new career in the US soon, and I still think it’s a country with a lot of potential. I was here in China through COVID protests, which were wiped from the Internet in Nov/Dec 2022, and it’s been heartening to see the vocal pushback to government moves flourishing and visible on the Western Internet. I also hope that the companies that value open thought and input from a diverse range of people will outperform those that don’t and will naturally supersede companies that have bowed to government pressure.

  • Jimmy March 10, 2025, 6:30 pm

    Hi MMM,
    Thanks for the post! From 2015–present we have been investing in VTSAX almost exclusively. We’re about 5 yrs out from early retirement, with my spouse now taking a part-time job as we’ve earned some flexibility.

    BUT the market has been making us nervous. We recently scaled back from 100/0 to 90/10. Now as we see so much uncertainty in the US market (definitely didn’t have that baked into our risk ratio), it has me wondering if we should add intn’l stocks and bonds to the mix.

    I guess my question is—what would be the biggest downside to doing that right now? Is it just a panic sell/buy? Or is reasonable diversification?

    Thanks for all you do.

  • Florian March 13, 2025, 11:24 am

    What a perfect timing, MMM. Two weeks after publishing, I wish I read this post as a warning to sell or short at least some of my ETF. I remember during covid you also almost perfectly wrote a post about how you invest some money very close to the botton of the V-curve. How do you do this? Is the MMM blog slowly a resource for quants to consider when building their models ;-)
    Just kidding, great post, as always. Love it.
    Greetings from the old europe,
    Florian

    • Mr. Money Mustache March 13, 2025, 11:53 am

      Yikes – I’m glad you are kidding about timing the market, especially with short selling!

      Although I happened to get the timing right for a temporary market peak, I didn’t sell a single share of my own life savings. Because I still had no idea of what would happen until it actually happened.

      Plus, I already have an “asset allocation” that makes for a pretty stable ride: a mortgage-free house, car, and commercial building and even a couple of private loans to local businesses, being paid back with interest. These all pretty much balance out my minimal cashflow needs so the stock investments are just there for the longer term.

  • April March 20, 2025, 3:18 pm

    If you totally rely on the stock portfolio for living a fancier life (including travels etc.), yes that would be nerve wrecking. If not, say, your portfolio is so big (>multi-million dollars) and your expense is relatively low (<100,000 per year), or you have income from full-time or part-time job that you barely touch your portfolio, I don't see the point of even checking the news/worrying about the stock market.

  • Tom March 28, 2025, 7:07 pm

    Since I subscribe to your perspective, I felt validated by investing a significant portion of my portfolio in Vanguard’s Total International Stock Index Fund the week before. I was wondering, however, why you suggested the EFT (VXUS) over a regular fund (VTIAX)? Thanks in advaqnce!

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