Culdesac

Hello from the Valley of the Sun!

This is my ongoing page on The Arizona Experiment, a joyful four month uprooting of my life to come check out a new car-free community that is springing up in Tempe (a city within the Phoenix metro area.)


Interested in giving it a try?

The real apartments can be found on their main page: https://culdesac.com/ with some major end-of-year rent discounts and a free e-bike included at the moment.

What’s this all about and why are you there?

I’ve been a fan of close-knit, walkable communities forever and I think we need way more of them. So I was really excited when I read about this ambitious effort to build a brand new one from the ground up. Instead of just reading and writing about it, I thought it would be fun to come live here first hand.

I want to know what type of people choose to live in a place like this, and I also want to help contribute in any way I can (which includes sharing my experiences here).

So what’s actually different about a car-free community?

When you really boil it down, the main difference is that you take away the parking lots and roads and replace them with space for people.

Since cars are way bigger than humans, this has a bigger effect than you’d imagine: you can add more homes while also adding more outdoor parks and other spaces for each person. And of course, shops and restaurants.

This is great, as long as you then fill the place up with people who actually want to be together. Which is definitely not everyone, but that’s part of the point: a neighborhood like this should naturally attract more sociable, friendly people who want to spend time with other humans. And that’s exactly why I’m here.

There’s one other quirk specific to Culdesac that I really like: its support of bikes, and especially e-bikes. By consciously flooding the neighborhood with highly functional electric bikes (including giving one away with each new lease for now), they overcome one of the biggest hurdles to this superior form of transport: most American adults don’t have bikes.

Once people have bikes, they tend to use them and you really see it here. We use them for recreation but more importantly, grocery runs and other errands.

How’s it going so far?

As I write this, I’m just packing up to finish the experiment. It has been a great four months for me.

A dinner party in one of the outdoor “Pod” lounge areas.

I’ll summarize my thoughts on the whole project as of March 2024, although this will quickly go out of date because the place is still under rapid construction, which makes it better as time goes on. And we’ll start with the positive aspects:

First of all, there’s something very comfortable about the way this place is laid out in the physical sense. It’s a series of apartment blocks (called pods) each of which are woven around a set of nice garden courtyards with common spaces between. Each pod has a gate so you have a sort of cozy, neighborly feeling and you can leave your stuff outside without worrying about it. And then between all these pods are of plazas and common areas, shops, an outrageously nice gym, a delicious (high-end) restaurant, and so on.

So in the ideal situation, you end up leaving your building throughout the day to go for a walk, or meet some new friends for a workout, or pick up an Amazon package from the delivery room, and just running into people. Which leads to conversations, or side projects, and suddenly nine in the morning becomes three in the afternoon.

It’s the same friendly and spontaneous environment I’ve always tried to create throughout my life wherever I go, but the layout of the neighborhood is designed to make it easy for everyone here.

What is missing or needs improvement?

Just like my visit here, Culdesac itself is an experiment. It’s also a bit of a startup company and a startup community all in one. Something like this has never quite been done before in recent US history, which means its future is still uncharted. I personally like this (just like I always wanted to work in startup companies during my days as a tech worker), because it means we early people can have an influence on making it succeed.

For my four months here, I could feel the neighborhood wanted to be a happening place, but it was missing a critical mass of people except at certain magical moments when everything came together.

But people have been moving in every day and the existing residents and Culdesac team are working, learning, improving, making more things happen and more connections between people get made. But they face a tricky challenge – I found that the Arizona apartment dwelling demographic to be less sociable and more reclusive than the people I mingle with in my regular life.

Another challenge of this first Culdesac neighborhood is that it’s still only about 20% complete. Most of the land is still just a construction site, and the surrounding area is just a normal residential-industrial part of Tempe. Lots of high quality new apartment complexes are going up in the area, but so far the commercial side has yet to catch up.

There are a few cute retail shops on site, and a promising new small grocery store is about to open, but everything else is more of a short bike or light rail ride away rather than a short walk. Trader Joe’s and Super Target are about 1.5 miles, and the fabulous oasis of downtown Tempe is about 2.5 miles to the West. Mesa offers an equally cool yet totally different vibe, a similar distance to the East. But I’m hoping that as Culdesac itself builds out, there will be many more nice things on site as well.

You definitely don’t need a car to do most things, but this is true in many parts of many American cities (as long as you’re willing to ride a bike along roads that also have varying levels of car traffic). Which brings us to the main car-reducing benefit of Culdesac’s location…

The Light Rail

The Culdesac light rail stop (also known as Smith-Martin+Apache)

I was initially a skeptic of this, because while I love public transit in theory, in practice I’m more of a bike guy because it’s faster, healthier, more exciting and really I just prefer to be in control of my own transportation.

But now that I’ve used it enough for various purposes, I’m coming around: the light rail system that runs through the Phoenix metro is pretty darned good. Culdesac basically has its own dedicated stop, the trains run frequently, and the service is free for residents (and only $2.00 even if you’re just a regular civilian). The ride goes right through the downtowns of each city (Phoenix, Tempe and Mesa), which means all of these places are just minutes away. I took the following pictures on recent totally unplanned casual exploration days with my son:

Downtown Mesa
Papago Park
Downtown Phoenix

Amazingly enough (to Denver residents like me), there’s also an easy, central light rail stop right at the airport. In other words, you walk out your door and go to the massive Phoenix International airport which has direct flights all over the world, for free, whenever you want. This is astoundly good for people who travel.

What about Cars?

While Culdesac is very passionate about making car-free living as easy as possible, they actually have some of the most fun and useful electric cars (Chevy Bolts from Envoy) right here on site, available for hourly rental (currently at a way-underpriced, subsidized $5 per hour including charging!) To rent these cars, you just walk up to them in the parking lot and unlock with your phone.

These have been popular with Culdesac residents and I think they do a great job at bridging the gap between the car-free ideal, and the fact that the Phoenix metro area is the size of a small country which means public transit is only going to cut it for reaching the closer spots. Since some of the best mountain experiences in the country (including Tonto National Forest) lie just outside the valley, I’m fully in favor of people taking occasional trips in these fine long-range electric cars, out to enjoy the nature.

Summary:

So far, so good! I will remain a fan and a supporter of the neighborhood and can’t wait to stop by for a visit next winter to see the progress!


*Does MMM have a financial stake in Culdesac?

No, I am not an investor and I also don’t get paid for bringing in new tenants. Long-time readers will know that I’ve been promoting the neighborhood for a while, and I did so at my own expense. But – for full disclosure I did negotiate a special rent deal for this particular stay, in exchange for helping them out with some PR and photography/social media stuff.
While I was going to come here this winter and share the results either way, human nature is such that I am probably biased even more in their favor due to this nice “insider” treatment. So I figured it’s best to disclose it here.

  • D.C. December 27, 2024, 12:32 am

    I was born and raised in mesa, lived in Tempe while attending asu and lived in north phoenix and the near Papago park for 6 years after that. I have since moved away and would never voluntarily move back. Culdesac is an interesting idea but I don’t support it, especially in phoenix.
    1) as you mentioned, people in phoenix are more reclusive, keep to themselves. There are great people there but if you try to get to know your neighbors people think you’re weird (my last 6 years there I was living in apartments/condos). Also people want to flex with their large houses, fancy cars, huge wardrobes, etc. the culture is very materialistically minded and that I believe contributes to the hermit-ness of the culture there.
    2) culdesac is built to a finished state rather than providing a bare bones structure (lots) and letting incremental private development/ownership create a real sense of place with a heart and culture . These master planned communities all seem fake to me (I’ve stayed in seabrook wa and it’s almost creepy how fake it feels)
    Also, what happens if this experiment fails- what will you do with the real building and infrastructure youve created? People expect things built to a finished state but that’s not sustainable or responsible. Shopping malls are a great example- trying to repurpose something so large and built for such a specific purpose is tough when it becomes obsolete. Slow, incremental growth with private investment over decades is how all major cities in the world have started.
    3) creating a car-free community in the middle of a VERY car dependent city is bold and I think this is too high of a hurdle overcome. Phoenix metro area is not designed at a human scale which to me is a huge part of making multi-modal transportation attractive and more mainstream. The phoenix metro area reminds me of a deserted colony that was built for giants (human density is so low since the city is so spread out that to me there are so few life forms seen and felt it feels deserted).
    I just don’t see this catching on unfortunately. I think people who are interested in a car-free or car-light existence are better off living in older, pre-war neighborhoods where the structure is already there (smaller lots, smaller setbacks, more narrow roads, mid-density, public transit that makes sense, human scale).
    Also it’s hotter than hades. I would never say that “it’s not that bad” or “it’s a dry heat”. The sun is flat out oppressive.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache December 27, 2024, 12:02 pm

      Well, all I can say to your summary is that Culdesac seems to be working just fine and have plenty of people that love it!

      It also sounds like you probably haven’t even visited the Culdesac project, so you should probably withhold Internet Judgement until you’ve spent at least a few weeks/months there. All it is is a nice apartment complex with some people-friendly features. Phoenix and Tempe are a huge destination for apartment dwellers, so if you take this already-proven model and simply put it along a light rail stop and give people more walkable outdoor space and e-bikes, how can it NOT be at least a slight improvement on that??

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  • Charles Atterly January 2, 2025, 3:26 pm

    Thanks for sharing this! I was interested in experiencing something like this as a short-term rental with my wife, but I noticed the booking link no longer works, and I can’t find anything on their website to book. Do you know if they no longer offer short-term rentals?

    If not, I’d love to know if there’s a network of Mustachians there that might be interested in hosting others to try the Culdesac experience!

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    • Mr. Money Mustache January 3, 2025, 4:39 pm

      Thanks for the update Charles – they might have converted those short-term rentals to permanent apartments. I’ll update this page if I hear of another option in the future.

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