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Frugal Man Buys $52,000 Car – Why??

Here’s the new car, on its first real camping trip shortly after taking delivery.

As I type this, I’m jumping through the various hoops involved in buying a 2023 Tesla Model Y, a spectacularly expensive, large luxury “crossover” that is absolutely loaded to the gills with excess: all wheel drive, faster acceleration than a Lamborghini, enough space for seven people and enough computer gadgetry to function as a small Google data center.

Update: Looking for the ongoing tracker page? It’s here at “The Model Y Experiment

The total net cost of this thing to me after all the taxes and tax credits* will be about $52,000, which is just a stunning amount higher than the Honda van it is replacing. That old classic cost me $4500 when I bought it off of Craigslist twelve years ago, and it had served me dutifully until just last month, crisscrossing the mountains and deserts of this country and also helping to rebuild a considerable swath of houses in my neighborhood. 

I’m supposed to be a frugality-oriented financial blogger, and I’m also known for hating car culture – I think most people use cars about ten times more often than they need to, and most people drive cars they can’t afford. So why the hell am I buying a new one?

From those first three paragraphs, you can see I’m feeling plenty of self-mockery and ridicule over this new purchase. If you’re also a naturally frugal person, you can surely relate to the thoughts and you probably also agree with me that I’m off my rocker. 

And indeed, I’m still on-board with frugality and healthy self mockery. After all, it was this overall life philosophy that earned me an early retirement 18 years ago, which provides all of the glorious freedom I enjoy now. 

It was also the philosophy that allowed me to procrastinate on buying this expensive car for the last four years, even as countless people both close to me and out on the Internet egged me on and told me I should just loosen up and treat myself.

But there’s a classic slogan that applies to many areas of life, and it is something I like to dig up and ponder every now and then:

“What got you here,

Won’t get you where you’re going.”

How does that piece of wisdom apply to frugal living and enjoying a long life of early retirement?

A quick story from a recent run to the grocery store will explain:

I was standing there in the bakery aisle, hoping to restock with a loaf of Dave’s Killer Bread for the next day’s breakfast with some visiting friends. But since this was in a standard grocery store rather than the Costco where I usually shop, the damned stuff was priced at an eye-watering $6.99 per loaf (instead the $4.50 or so I’m accustomed to paying, and even at the bulk store this stuff is about double the price of normal bread).

“DAMN YOU KING SOOPER’S!” 

Was my first response. 

“WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, TRYING TO SELL BREAD FOR SEVEN BUCKS!!!”

Then I went through a whole mental battle of what I call Grocery Shopping With Your Middle Finger:

“Should I just boycott this bullshit?” 

“Hmm I wonder if any of the other competing brands are any good?”

“What else is a good substitute for bread for this breakfast?”

And then thankfully, after exhausting all other mental options, I settled on the correct one:

“JUST BUY THE BREAD YOU DUMBASS!”

Because you are never going to wake up in the future and look at your bank account and think, shit, if only I had an extra $2.49 in there I would be a happier person.”

That night, I came home from the store and shared this funny tale with one of my guests. He understood perfectly because he too had earned his own retirement through a lifetime of grinding in tough jobs and disciplined frugality. And despite the fact that he has a net worth several times higher than mine, he admitted that he faces exactly the same mental battles over splurging on himself.

This same friend gives freely to charitable causes, has supported a local school for decades, and is always the first one to pull out the checkbook if a friend has hit hard times or is looking for a trusted business investor. 

But he still has trouble bringing himself to take an Uber to the airport instead of riding the bus which takes an hour longer.

We both realized that we were being too cheap with ourselves, and we needed to work on it. And we came up with a set of three ideas that should hopefully work together to help us have more fun with our life savings, while we are still alive:

  • the Minimum Spending Budget,
  • the Dedicated Money Wasting Account, 
  • and the Splurge Accountability Buddy.

Principle #1: The Minimum Spending Budget: 

Suppose you’ve done well over the years and amassed a pile of productive investments worth about two million dollars. Yes, this is a lot of money for most people, and that is the point: this hypothetical person truly has it made.

But as it turns out, most Mustachians I know with this level of wealth are still living very efficient lives, usually with a spending level of under $40,000 per year. On top of that, they typically live in a mortgage-free house and still have various forms of side income from a small business or two.

The 4% rule tells us that this person should be fairly safe spending up to about $80,000 per year from that cozy nest egg, even if they never earn any other money.

If this person wanted to be ridiculously conservative and set the spending rate at 3%, that still leaves about $60,000 of fun money every single year.. Plus, again, any side income, future inheritances, and social security income only add to the surplus.

Thus, a reasonable minimum spending level for this person might be $60,000 per year.

And in most cases, they know this, but still go right on living on $40k or less and claim they have everything they could ever want. 

But if you watch carefully you’ll still catch them firing up the middle finger at things like $6.99 Dave’s bread or the $14.00 Cabernet at the restaurant or driving around in a gas guzzler even when they would prefer to have a proper, modern electric car. 

And whenever these people do get extra money, their first instinct is to stash it away on top of the already-too-big pile.  In diagram form, their money flow looks like this:

Note that while this person is great at accumulating money through that big red arrow firing money back into the ‘stash, their “fun stuff” arrow appears quite flaccid and withered.

Which is a perfect segue to ….

Principle #2 – the Dedicated Money Wasting Account

Lifelong habits are hard to break, and it’s sometimes hard to “waste” your own hard-earned money on things that seem frivolous, even when you know intellectually that you have way more money than you’ll ever spend.

But have you ever noticed that if you are spending somebody else’s money, preferably an anonymous corporation, it feels different?  

For example, when you’re on a business trip and you just show up at the dining table to eat and drink and you never see the bill, you probably don’t fret about the prices, right?

The key is to make your own money feel like somebody else’s, and you can do it like this:

  • Re-brand your main bank account – henceforth it is the FREE FUN MONEY account. 
  • Set up an auto-deposit of your minimum spending budget that drops in each month (if you suspect that you might currently be too frugal, make this at least $1000 per month higher than your current spending level)
  • The only way you are allowed to use the money in this new account is to spend it on anything and everything, or give it away. It can be used for both necessities like groceries and your utility bill, but also your luxuries like travel and dining and generosity.

    But the key rule is this: You are not allowed to follow your old habit of sweeping out the surplus each month to buy more and more index funds as you’ve been doing your whole life.

    If the free fun money starts building up, which it probably will because you are way out of spending practice, it will stare you in the face and tell you to do a better job.

    And this can and should be FUN! Now you can get the best organic groceries even when the price seems exorbitant. Go out for dinner or order delivery whenever you like. Surprise your loved ones with concert tickets, join your friends on snowboarding or beach trips, or even pay for an entire group vacation, allowing people to go who couldn’t normally afford it so easily.

  • Technical Note: Some people have income or wealth levels are so high that it would be insane to spend at a 3% rate. For example, a $10M fortune would lead to a $25,000 monthly spending rate, which is obviously ridiculous.

    In this situation, you can still leave your dividends reinvesting but still give yourself a bigger, no-saving-allowed budget to get some practice being more relaxed and generous.  The real point here is to just stop sweating the details so you can have more fun.

Principle #3 – The Splurge Accountability Buddy

Many of us frugal people tend to stick together. And most of us have different versions of the same problem: we know logically that money is plentiful these days, but our emotions keep us stuck in our old ways of optimizing too much. 

But I find that when I team up with local friends who are actually trying to battle these same habits, we can question each other’s decisions, call out cheapness when we see it, and cheer on splurges when we know the other guy would enjoy it.

My super wealthy friend from above has become much better about treating himself (and his family) to quality goods for the home, amazing trips together, and just a general reduction in his stress over being “efficient with money”

My friend and HQ co-owner Carl (Mr. 1500 Days) has finally replaced his beaten-down minivan with a spiffy new Chevrolet Bolt electric car, and is loving that leap into the future.

And of course Mr. Money Mustache, after squeezing one final mountain road trip out of his 23-year-old Honda van, is finally allowing himself to get the Tesla he has been talking about for half a decade. 

An early spring Sunrise at our new “Friends Mountain Resort”

A recent life change (becoming a co-owner of a fixer-upper vacation rental compound in beautiful Salida Colorado) has reignited the travel fire in my heart and made me realize how much I do love getting out to distant places for visiting, mountain biking, gathering with groups of friends and my favorite activity of all: Carpentourism.

Running the Numbers: how ridiculously expensive is this car?

This is the perfect start to my experiment in spending more. Realistically, a $50,000 car is going to cost me about $10,000 more per year than my old van was burning.  With the biggest costs being these:

  • Foregoing roughly 8% annual investment returns on the 50 grand: $4000
  • Depreciation on the car: an average of $3000 per year over the first 10 years
  • Higher insurance premiums: $1000 more per year
  • Replacing those exorbitantly huge performance tires when they wear out, and probably things like repairing the all-glass roof someday when it meets Colorado’s pebble-strewn mountain roads: the remaining $2000 or so.

Since I personally had a spending deficit of several times more than $10k per year, I figure this is a solid first step. And, since the car’s primary purpose is things like epic camping trips, dream dates, and  long adventures around the country, it will definitely help me spend more on experiences, hotels, and go out to dinner a bit more often as well.

“This Privileged Rich Folk Talk is Making Me Sick, why don’t you give your money away to charity, or to me?”

In general, I agree: the world has problems and the richer you are, the more you should consider giving generously. 

But also, to be honest, the whiny people who constantly send complaints like this out to strangers on the Internet really need to get a life. It’s great to encourage philanthropy through positive examples, but completely unproductive to send negativity to shame people you don’t even know for not following your own personal value system. The world has seen more than enough of this.

On top of that, this one-sided thinking can be counterproductive. Both of my friends have given generously throughout their lifetimes. In my own case, I have donated over $500,000 to the best causes I could find during the years I’ve been writing this blog, but I was still refusing to let myself replace that 23-year-old van. 

And that overthinking was leading to even more of a scarcity mentality, as I compared my own meager spending to these bigger numbers of my donations, and found myself thinking things like, 

“Damn, I’m spending $100 on this dinner date which sounds like a lot, but I also spent ONE THOUSAND TIMES more on donations last year, which sounds like even more. Maybe I am spending too much and need to cut back on EVERYTHING!”

And then the fear side of my brain would illogically chime in: “Yeah and you’re going to make us run out of money and be poor forever! waaaah waaaah! Cut back and optimize and conserve!”

I think there is a happy medium here. 

Yes – be a super, duper responsible steward of your life savings. 

And yes, give generously with all your heart to charity. 

But yes, it’s also okay to set aside a portion of the money you’ve earned, for frivolous spending on yourself and those closest to you. You’re not a bad person for having a few nice things.

It’s okay to pay that extra hundred bucks to sit a bit closer to the front of the airplane instead of the back if it helps you enjoy your vacation and spend a joyful half hour walking FREE at your destination while the 49 rows of people behind you fuss infuriatingly with their shit in the overhead bins.

It’s okay to buy the frozen berries at Whole Foods even though they cost eight times more than Costco charges, if it spares you from making a second unpleasant trip through parking lot hell.

And as for me, I am calling it okay to, at last, double flip the Autopilot stalk in my new Tesla and lean back as it it shoots me gracefully through even the highest mountain passes, forever leaving the desperately underpowered wheezing and gear shifting and noise* of the gasoline era behind, forever.

Rest in Peace, Vanna – 1999-2023

—– Bonus details and links —-

* How to get rid of an old vehicle:

I ended up using an online car salvage service called Peddle*, at the recommendation of a friend. With about five minutes of entering the details of my old Honda, their system offered me $715, and then a towtruck came and took it the next day – and actually gave me the payment in cash, which I found kind of fun. I made a point of using all of that money for splurges like dinners out, in keeping with the theme of this article.

* I later signed this blog up for Peddle’s affiliate program so that link will benefit MMM if you use it.

* A useful tip for more effective splurging:

Try to find the truly negative aspects of your life and focus any additional spending on improving those things. But it’s a subtle art so you have to get it right if you want lasting results in happiness.

You don’t want to just reduce hardship or challenge like hiring someone to take care of every aspect of your house, because overcoming daily hardships and having significant accomplishments provides the very core of our life satisfaction.

You also don’t want to just upgrade the things that are already good in your life. For example, a friend of mine is a gourmet coffee expert, and he suggested that I upgrade my setup at home to include on-the-spot roasting, and fancy grinding and brewing equipment. But I already love the good quality coffee I buy off the shelf from Costco, so it would be counterproductive to invest time or money into changing this part of my life. 

But when you have something that causes you regular angst and stress, whether it’s a leaky roof that makes you dread rain, or a long commute that makes you dread the daily traffic jam, or a body that is giving you trouble due to not being in the best of shape – those types of things are probably a good target for improvement. 

In the case of my car situation, I had a Nissan Leaf which is wonderful to drive, but doesn’t have the range to travel anywhere outside of the Denver metro area. Then I had the van which is a clunky beast to drive, but is otherwise an amazing road tripper because I could bring along whatever and whoever I wanted. But the van was getting increasingly unreliable in several hard-to-fix ways which was making me nervous every time I thought about long distance travel. Which was causing me to avoid certain trips and miss positive lifetime experiences.

In other words, my lack of a reliable long-range car was a small but consistent source of negative stress.

Finally, Vanna gave me the gift of a final hot and smelly transmission failure on a mountain pass on the way home from my new project in Salida. It was just the nudge that I needed. And now I already feel excitement rather than dread at the prospect of all the road trips in the coming decades!

* Total cost of this Tesla:

  • Model Y plus options and Tesla fees: $53,630 
  • Subtract $7500 federal EV tax credit
  • Subtract $2000 Colorado EV tax credit
  • (Note: this is equivalent to a $44,150 list price if you are cross shopping with other cars)
  • Add back in $4674 of sales tax
  • Add in first 3 years of Colorado new-car registration fees: $3000
  • Net cost: about $52,000

Referral program: after I wrote this post, Tesla has re-started their referral program. So if you do happen to be in the market for any of the company’s products, we can both benefit from a small discount or some free supercharging miles or whatever if you use this code:- and thanks if you do!

New Tracker Page!

To go along with this article, I started a new page called “The Model Y Experiment” where I can share ongoing findings and Q&A about the ownership experience. I’ve driven and rented Teslas quite a bit in the past, so most of it will be pretty familiar. But as an owner I’ll get to verify the reliability and the quality of customer service, as well as any quirks and modifications and upgrades I do.

  • Calla May 2, 2023, 11:58 pm

    MMM, you wrote in your last post about planning to move into a car-free community. How does this car purchase go with that plan?

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 3, 2023, 12:09 pm

      This Tesla is only for long inter-city road trips rather than for wheelchair-ing me around urban areas. So I’d either rent/lend it out to somebody else during the time I’m living in Culdesac, or park it at a friend’s house in the area so I could bike over and grab it whenever a road trip was happening.

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  • Myron May 3, 2023, 8:38 am

    Hm. Having read all of your blog posts, this really is a shift.

    Re: shaming people I don’t know for not following my personal value system, I’m not going to do that. But, my value system is aligned with much of this blog, and this particular post seems unaligned in some important respects, while it’s come closer to my view in others. In any case, it’s a significant shift, and probably would be interesting to hear more of your reflections on that shift, when you have more to say.

    I would ask you to consider not whether you ought to adopt my value system, but how this purchase aligns with yours. If your values have shifted since you started this blog or you now know things past-you didn’t know, that’s OK – we all learn and grow through life. And sometimes, in fact for most people (including me) quite often, we do things that are not fully in line with the values held by the best possible version of ourselves. That should probably be noticed and acknowledged, but shaming someone doesn’t help that person to notice and acknowledge what has happened, so shame is probably not helpful.

    It occurs to me that what might have happened here is younger-you had a big goal of retiring early so that you could spend your time raising your son and enjoying time with your wife, and then you accomplished that goal, and the money kept piling up, and you didn’t really have a plan for that, plus your relationship with your wife took a course you didn’t expect when making your original plans. Maybe your generic plan was “adopt efficient and sensible lifestyle, gain financial freedom, have awesome life” without the details of “have awesome life” being worked out or aligned to any particular set of values – a problem for another day, when the immediate concern was how to get there.

    It also occurs to me that from an efficiency perspective, it makes sense to work hard at optimizing what you have very little of, and less hard at optimizing things you have a lot of, and that can change over time – whereas your early blogging was about how to optimize what you had little of at that time. Early in life, it makes a lot of sense to trade time for money, such as biking around to 7 stores to get the best prices on things, while later in life, when you have less time left to live and more money, it makes sense to trade money for time, such as buying everything in one place even if some items are more expensive. I know of one person who is getting up in age and spends a large fraction of his life collecting coupons, watching for sales and driving around town to get potato chips for 50 cents rather than $2.50, even though the 50 cent potato chips don’t actually taste good and he already has 10 bags at home, and he spends more in wear and tear on his vehicle than he saves in the “deals” he finds, even counting the value of his time at 0. I don’t think I’ll convince him he’s mistaken to put such emphasis on getting things for low prices, but I might get him an ebike so that the costs he isn’t counting are reduced. To you, most of the mistakes he is making will be obvious, but to me… the mistake of being stuck on paying the lowest possible price even at significant inconvenience when dealing with Dave’s Killer Bread seems thematically similar. So I’m on-side with you on buying the more expensive thing sometime, but it’s still from an efficiency perspective past-you might endorse, not a “I have money, I earned ease” perspective. I put a certain amount of value on my time, and if for example I can gain an hour of time back for under $5, I reliably take that trade, because time has value too, even if that value is harder to quantify than a number of dollars is. At this point in my life, I would likely take a trade of $10 for 1 hour, and maybe even up to $15, but that wouldn’t have been true earlier in my life when money was less plentiful and the time for my investments to grow was longer. I anticipate there will come a time when I will be happy to pay much more than $15 for an hour of additional time (and I am willing to do that in specific circumstances now, such as when on a vacation in a place where I’m unlikely to return, where every hour is particularly precious). In general, I use a mental trick of costing things bought now at the price I will have to pay when I’m 70. Roughly speaking, guessing that my investments will likely double every 10 years, a $5 burger at age 20 costs 70-year-old me $160, 80 year old me $320, and so on. Maybe it’s worth it in some rare circumstances, but probably not. But… I’m past 40 now, so the cost of things had now rather than later has come down by a factor of 4 relative to what 20 year old me would have paid, and I’m more willing to spend even in a situation where my income and amount saved was the same as 20-year-old me had. (Of course, since 20 year old me valued money saved so highly, 40 year old me is doing better financially).

    The point of the above: Past-you’s heuristic of “save every dollar and make it work for you” was good at a certain time of your life, and would need to change at some point, but I don’t think you need to go from that to having a designated “money wasting” account and “required spending”. I mean, maybe because of your psychological makeup you need that for a short time to learn some new habits… but really, wasting money should not be one of those habits – if you decide to waste money, what was the point of avoiding waste earlier? Instead, recognize that you are in a new phase of life, “what got you here won’t get you where you’re going” and… decide where you want to go from here, with careful thought and logic. You’ve saved and made choices which would buy you greater freedom in the future, and now you are freer as a result. What do you want to do with that freedom, beyond “have awesome life” with the default way of attempting to do that in our society (and so the thing you will end up doing if you don’t consciously choose another course) being “buy fancy things for self”? Exploring that question of what to do now will, I think, be of great value to those who have followed your journey and done well for themselves by following past-you’s advice. I expect “well I guess I’ve got too much money, gotta learn to waste it” will be unsatisfying for them, and plausibly might end up unsatisfying for you too.

    You have greater freedom, and greater power to do things in the world, now. More than you know what to do with, it seems. But you’re a good and smart person with good values, and you’ll figure it out. I would encourage you to stick to the core of the insight that got you to this point, while adapting to your changed circumstances. Sure, have more fun. But the thinking behind “why would I buy a new car when a used car has the same ability to do what I want a car for and can be had for less” still seems sound.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 3, 2023, 12:23 pm

      Thanks for the deep thoughts, Myron:

      I think you hit the nail on the head with this one phrase about the dedicated money wasting account:

      “I mean, maybe because of your psychological makeup you need that for a short time to learn some new habits”

      THAT IS IT!

      See, what my fellow frugal friends and I found, is that we were labeling everything that wasn’t highly optimized as being a “waste” of money. So, by creating that tongue-in-cheek name for the checking account, we give ourselves psychological permission to let go of that last bit of optimization. It’s not a change in the principles of this blog at all. Rather, it’s a form of training for people who think too much about every last detail.

      Most people who come across and benefit from this website have the opposite problem – they spend without consideration on anything and everything, even when they can’t afford it. In that case, it’s time to learn optimization.

      But it’s possible to go too far. I sometimes joke that Mustachianism is a fake religion, but I do NOT want people to view it as a dogmatic set of rules you must follow faithfully and without question. Instead, I suggest using the principles of science: start with a hypothesis, do some experiments on yourself to see how they work, and make changes and adjustments as you go.

      If you like some of Mr. Money Mustache’s ideas and not others, take the ones you like and try some of your own experiments with them and run with those.

      Also, you mentioned $10 or $15 as figures for the value of an hour of work or inconvenience. I think this is a good exercise for many people to do – figure out your time-vs-money equation very roughly and then use it to help you make decisions. For me, this number is closer to $200-$500, both because I could THEORETICALLY make that kind of money by doing certain kinds of work, and because I don’t have much use for additional money in the bank, even though I irrationally still crave it sometimes. So by setting the number fairly high, I help talk myself down from seeking more and more savings.

      But then, I still don’t go out and seek these $500-per-hour work projects. Instead, I still spend most of my days just puttering around at home – welding up fences and furniture out of metal, biking to the grocery store, line-drying my laundry out in the sun, walking for hours in the forest with my son. Because those are the things I *want* to do with my time, in a world where money is no longer a big factor.

      As for new vs used car: Yes I fully agree – this whole Tesla thing has gathered significant misunderstanding as an indulgence rather than a conscious choice. Because I still made the choice in the same way I buy all other cars: the model Y is the CHEAPEST electric car that meets my needs (and I don’t feel the need to compromise and drive a slower, louder, pollution-spewing gas car just to save money). And they are less expensive new than they are used.

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  • derbyguy May 3, 2023, 11:46 am

    Mad respect for driving the old van til it quit. Hope you got a decent price for it from the salvage yard.

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  • Chris B May 3, 2023, 12:37 pm

    Hi MMM!

    What level of net worth (or income if you prefer) justifies a vehicle like this? You haven’t updated us on net worth in a very long time, and this raises questions. Obviously it’s not a good choice for middle class people or anyone on the path to FIRE, but you’ve reached a level where you feel it is an OK decision. What level is that?

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  • Papa Jon May 3, 2023, 4:58 pm

    I’ve been following the blog since 2013, in my early 20’s. At the time it changed my life for the better. But now that my income is 4x+ I see the MMM mindset that I have adopted is definitely holding me back, as it is for you. It seems you’re adopting a view closer to Ramit Sethi. His podcast is full of super-rich people struggling with being cheap. We only have so much time and we can’t get it back. As the Buddha said, “The trouble is, you think you have time”. It appears we have both wasted years of enjoyment by justifying it was this frugality crap. My strong investing rate has not even come close to the mentioned 8% in the last few years, so I’m frustrated with it all. Please show us more of the enjoyment that can be had from amassing a fortune, rather than continuing to live as a poor person. What good is saving for retirement if you can’t enjoy it?

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    • Andreas May 9, 2023, 3:20 am

      Sure but we cannot ignore that you mostly have to save first to even be able to enjoy later.
      If you start rich now thats another thing, but most of us do not.

      Save first enjoy later, and at the same time enjoyment is not equal to consumerism. Just that is 50% of the rowk.
      You dont score until you score, once done it is (i imagine) so much easier to look back on what you could have done better. But before you reach FIRE your options are very limitied.

      Or just Vanlife it.

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  • Jeff May 3, 2023, 5:49 pm

    Spend less early in life so you have financial freedom sooner and can “enjoy” life more later? Spend more early in life so you can “enjoy” life sooner and have financial freedom later? This great debate existed long before us and will be around long after we are gone. In my opinion, it was almost inevitable that MMM would reach a point in life where perspectives would, let’s call it “shift” or “slide”. No finger pointing, this “shift” or “slide” happens with all of us, at different times and obviously in different ways.

    Everyone reading this, please give yourself permission for this “shift” or “slide” to happen in your life. If there is one thing that is true of all of us, it is this – “we are all consistently inconsistent” and we always will be. Growth and needed change in our lives can only happen when we embrace the reality that no matter how confident we may appear to be in our 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, etc., we don’t have it all figured out in our heads or in our hearts. I look forward to the continuing evolution of MMM and his authenticity and courage to share his journey with us on this blog. I leave as my final thought, “I am not who I was, or who I will be. But I am who I am, and that’s enough for me.” Peace and joy!

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  • Jessica May 3, 2023, 7:38 pm

    Oh my, I shouldn’t have read the comments. So much hate.
    Enjoy the car. I loved the article and when though I’m not to that point yet(still building wealth) it was insightful and a great read.

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  • Marcin May 4, 2023, 3:25 pm

    There is profound wisdom in this article. It’s not spelled out clearly in the text, but can be seen against the backdrop of the whole blog.

    Before I sought enlightenment, mountains were only mountains, and waters were only waters.
    As I was learning, mountains were no longer mountains, and waters were no longer waters.
    After I achieved enlightenment, mountains are once again mountains and waters once again waters.

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  • Dave May 4, 2023, 4:06 pm

    I agree with other commenters: This post is diametrically opposed to the older MMM articles. Whereas the old MMM told you to toughen yourself up for your own good, new MMM says that it’s totally fine to indulge as long as you can afford it. If the blog used to combatively advocate for minimalism and stoicism (making fun of “clown cars” and air conditioning), it now seems content to say that all you need to do is be mindful about your consumerism. These are both valid perspectives, but I don’t think we can call paying to sit closer to the front of a plane a form of “badassity”.

    It may be time to replace the site motto with something more like “first financial freedom, then comfort-maximization”. I’m sure the new tone and advice will be helpful for Pete’s fellow retirees, but I think it weakens the canon of existing articles for everyone else. I guess I need to find a new source of kick-in-the-pants advice until I too join the hollowed ranks of the early retirees.

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  • Garrett May 5, 2023, 7:58 am

    I’ve been a long time reader and I’ll admit that I needed to check to make sure this wasn’t an April 1st post while I was half way through the post. Once I verified this it was not, I found myself extremely relieved to see the evolution of your approach to saving. I work for a non-profit and have always felt the need to put others first – this has led to a frugal lifestyle. My wife and I have stashed money away from the beginning of our careers but for the first time, I find my own priorities changing as I approach more having less time on this earth. As we get older, the value of spending or money “in the now” increases over saving and spending “tomorrow”. Almost two years ago, my partner (she works for Rivian so we were were early adopters) and I purchased a Rivian R1T. This was one of the first and certainly most expensive splurges we’ve ever had. It was a complete mental shift to realize that we have the money and could enjoy it. I have no regrets and OMG is it fun to drive electric. Implementing a minimum spending budget is exactly the approach that I needed hear. It still provides a level of responsibility to the process but pushes all of us that have a hard time spending. Thanks! – I needed this.

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  • Daisy May 5, 2023, 8:07 am

    I’ve been following MMM for years, but rarely comment.

    First, congratulations on the purchase of the Tesla. I’m thrilled you’ve been able to purchase something you will enjoy.

    I appreciate this post, and the complicated feelings it has aroused as evident by the comments. I, too, feel conflicted. My husband and I, having been very frugal for most of our married life, are in a place that we can loosen the reins and are trying to figure out what that means to us. We’re FI. I’m R/E, but my husband enjoys his work and wants to continue working for a few more years.

    Like MMM we’ve donated over a half a million dollars to charity and have struggled with whether we should be donating more. And like MMM ,we’ve also spent on some long wished for larger splurges. But managing the guilt with the spending is also challenging, so I appreciate MMMs exploration of this new phase of FIRE and hope he will explore it further. It’s tough discuss being freer with money, particularly in this economic climate when others are experiencing financial difficult.

    What I struggle with – and here’s where the complicated feelings emerge – is at times I have had difficulty with the “face punch” mentality with this site, particularly the lack of acknowledgement of diverse circumstances and failure to acknowledge certain privileges that positioned MMM, and others like him (and I would include us here as well), to realize his FIRE goals. Often I have felt some of the financial judgement hurled on this site in earlier posts lacked nuance. So, now it is okay to spend $7 on a loaf of bread, but in the past such a decision would have earned a poster scorn, judgement, and condemnation, even if it made sense given the context.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 5, 2023, 8:46 am

      Thanks for sharing your interesting parallel story, Daisy!

      I think if you were to dig through the older articles, you might find the philosophy is still somewhat consistent:

      – The $7 loaf of bread would be a probable NO if somebody had any sort of debt, or was still struggling to get further ahead financially so they could get out of a toxic job, or get more free time to spend with their kids, and so on. But I don’t usually hassle people on their spending decisions if they 1) can afford it and 2) it’s not a significantly harmful purchase with negative effects on others.

      – the real “Face Punches” are based around car culture: my biggest goal with this website is around human-based living and city design, so I hate things like unnecessary car commutes, drive-throughs, and anything that uses lots of energy to compensate for humans just refusing to do something healthy and physically challenging.

      – Me buying this new car is still a bit questionable. On the “reasonable” purchase side of the argument, it’s the LEAST expensive non-gasoline car that will meet my needs, and it’s slightly less than the average new vehicle price in the US. On the “ridiculous” side: I could still just rent the same thing when I want to do my road trips, which aren’t all that frequent, and probably pay far less.

      Or of course, I could buy a used gasoline Prius and get 55MPG which is fairly close to gasoline free anyway (and would probably create a smaller environmental impact overall than me buying a new Tesla). Although in the big picture that Prius will be out there saving SOMEBODY gas either way, and by supporting only the electric car industry I’m helping to kill off gasoline which absolutely must happen.

      So in my own mind, I’m paying more money to own my car, in order to not have to deal with the hassle of frequent Turo rentals. Since money is not a factor here, whereas the psychological barrier of administrative tasks (making and picking up rentals and returning them) is significant for me, it still seems like a win.

      But again, I wouldn’t make this same choice if money WERE still a factor. I’d probably be willing to do the Turo renting work for what might be the $50-100+ per hour that it would be saving me overall.

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  • Gen May 6, 2023, 9:59 am

    Congratulations on the new ride! To everyone keeping their old cars and stacking cash, congratulations to you too. :)

    I remember your old articles that were very critical of lifestyle creep but I’m commenting to say that I think it’s ok for your opinions to evolve as your lifestyle changes to optimize happiness. As my net worth has grown, the type of financial advice I seek out has evolved from Dave Ramsey to advanced investment strategies and I do think there is a divide between what your focus should be in the wealth building stage vs. Wealth maintenance stage since you’re optimizing for different future goals.

    I would like more content around the difference between optimizing your lifestyle in a way that adds value and one that makes you weak to hardship because I struggle with this concept as a naturally spendier mustachian. Thank you!

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  • Dom May 7, 2023, 12:49 am

    Congratz! You deserve it! Cool that you drove your old car until the wheels fell off! You did the logical thing :)
    Greetings from Germany,
    Dom.

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  • Katrina May 7, 2023, 7:07 am

    Not yet retired but constantly working on a sizable nest egg as I move into retirement. I can tell you I’ve had my Tesla model Y for almost 3 years now and I absolutely love it. (Has a prius w 200k miles before). My mother in law, which is 80 this year, also was set on buying a lexis, until she drove the model Y! In which she will be taking delivery of this Month 😊 enjoy.

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  • Shaun May 8, 2023, 11:33 am

    Happy to see you got a Tesla! I bought a Model S in 2018 and still love it. You’ll love autopilot too! Congrats! My blog detailed a lot of my experiences when I first bought the car.

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  • Jeff May 8, 2023, 9:48 pm

    Hi Peter,

    Thanks for writing your blog. My wife and I enjoy reading it in the evening, always a fresh perspective.
    I am writing to say, please keep it up. I am sorry to hear about the negative comments; they should not be taken to heart. You are giving a real gift to those who struggle with “money”; to me it is more a way of seeing life, than money. If one is happy with life, stuff already in one’s possession, there is no need for more money; living a life in the future with dreams, rather than taking in what is right here and now is what embraces the negative side of life, thus the bad comments. Good to forgive and let go; when the time comes they may come back to the blog and really read what you have to say. Thanks again. Enjoy the new car! My wife and have talked about it, but wow the prices have jumped.

    Jeff

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  • $ven May 9, 2023, 4:40 am

    I may have missed it but what happened to your hating cars? Cars are not only a waste of money but to me the main problem is a sedantary livestyle solving transportation problems with a boring answer: taking the car. To the gym, a job or whatever. There is nothing wrong with driving a Tesla, even on vacation. But why own it?

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  • Matt C May 9, 2023, 11:49 am

    What is your thinking on financing vs. paying cash? Assuming either is perfectly affordable, you have the cash on hand. How to weigh the opportunity cost vs. interest/hassle?

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  • Bob May 9, 2023, 7:56 pm

    This is a perfect example of how FIRE can lead to subsequent joyful work that allows you to enjoy a small fraction of your wealth on a sensible luxury

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  • Adam May 11, 2023, 7:00 am

    I understand 100% where you are in making the decision to buy the Tesla. That perspective is valuable to those who have achieved FI and are transitioning to what’s next. However, I think you should look retroactively at the blog and your personal history and point out where a hard line should be drawn for the reader. This should be a point that, up until then, you think it was worthwhile to have been singly focused on being frugal without frivolous spending. Similarly, after this point, this single focus was more harmful than beneficial. Maybe being overly frugal after this point caused personal problems, was a waste of effort, etc. I know it’s hard to draw this line and I’m not sure that I could do it in my own life.

    However: I think your blog is an extremely powerful tool to those aspiring to FI. Most people will not start the blog from the first post and read all of them in order. My own journey was that I found your “What does your work truck say about you” entry, read that, then read the more recent posts, and then read the whole blog start to finish. As a side note: I’ve always been frugal, but I found your blog at the right time in my life and it helped me re-focus, realize the value of work that I’d already done, and then optimize well into FI. (Thank you…sincerely)

    The recent posts, however, are likely to confuse and distract from those who need to keep their eye on the ball to achieve FI. I think transitioning from extreme frugality to moderate frugality is a very important topic and one that I personally struggle with. The challenge is how to discuss it on this blog without confusing those who aren’t there yet.

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  • Aaron Hemry May 14, 2023, 11:55 am

    Great article, Pete!
    I can see from many of the comments that you batted a hornet’s nest with this one.

    For all those criticizing MMM -surely one of the truly great frugalites of all time- how many of you:

    1)don’t own a car?
    2) don’t benefit from others owning a car/truck/semi?
    3) only buy something produced by you or your immediate neighbor who is a super nice person and agrees with all your political views?
    4) never travel anywhere?
    5) have never purchased or used anything mined anywhere?
    6) have given more than $500k to charity?
    7) have never spent any amount of money to bring joy and convience to your own life?

    Anyone?

    What’s the point of having money if it’s not to serve our needs?

    It seems to me that’s what this blog has always been about: be smart with your money so your true needs are getting met efficiently and you have the most free time possible to pursue happiness while not destroying the earth.

    If that means driving an old beater into the ground (and then RECYCLING IT) and then buying a new high tech high speed electric wheelchair to replace it, what’s the problem with that?

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  • Maggie May 15, 2023, 8:24 am

    Hey MMM,

    I’ve been reading your blog posts for years and have found a lot of good insight and resources that I’ve found useful in my own quest for early retirement, or at least a more balanced work/life. I’ll say that, as an immigrant whose parents were hardworking, poor, and extremely frugal so that my sister and I had all of the essentials–food, shelter, clean clothing, and good education through college–I admire your ways of life and messages you share about them, particularly your concern for the environment and sharing of wealth. I appreciate that, while your financial advice is not possible for everyone (self-admittedly), there is a mindset behind it all that, if more people in the developed world adopted, would make the world a better place.

    Now, what I wanted to ask you was, at what point do you finally let go of an old car and get a new (to you) one? How much more time and money do you put into a 2010 VW Jetta with a leaking sunroof, rattling frame, and some kind of excessive mechanical vibration under the hood? How much of your life have you given to keep your Honda van for 24 years? Asking because I, too, am itching to go EV, but need justification to buy a new car. Thanks a lot, MMM.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 15, 2023, 10:56 am

      Another great question Maggie!

      I think the answer depends on how much stress the vehicle is adding to your life, and whether it can potentially be GOOD stress (a bit of learning and hardship and perhaps encouraging us to drive less and bike/walk more).

      And then considering whether you have any money problems and/or could use more money in your life. In the midst of a debt emergency, people should be pulling all the stops to save money, because money is a huge issue in that case. Later on in life, the decisions should drift away from money concerns.

      With my van, I put almost zero effort into keeping it running. It just worked, and I made minor repairs as the years went on, enjoying every one of them (replacing things like the brake rotors, a rear wheel hub one time, the power window motor another time, and of course just changing the oil and stuff like that). In fact, I could have brought it back from the dead this time if I were willing to learn how to change a transmission (or of course pay someone else to do it), but I didn’t really WANT a gas-powered road trip vehicle any more.

      Many people have pointed out in these comments that buying an EV is contributing to pollution because it takes a lot of resources to make one (slightly more than a normal car but not much). This is true, but in the bigger picture I think it helps to send the market a signal to produce more electric cars and fewer gasoline ones.

      Even if you’re selling the old one, that helps lower prices for that model on the used market, which decreases the demand for new gasoline cars further up the chain. In the long run, pushing the entire industry to electric will make batteries simpler and cheaper as well as reducing air pollution by a huge factor. And those cheaper batteries also get produced for other uses – most notably energy storage for the electric grid, allowing us to use solar power more easily and replace even more fossil fuel energy plants.

      In other words, it’s a bit counterintuitive but I think buying an resource-intensive new electric car supports a future of clean energy. As long as you were going to own and use a car anyway.

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  • Do Good May 15, 2023, 9:17 am

    Just the other day I was struggling with spending money on equipment to start a YouTube Channel. I have zero debt and stash quite a bit of money away each month. The spending wasn’t going to break me and actually could lead to more freedom in the future.

    Btw I started reading your blog when I was in graduate school 10 years ago. You’ve inspired me over the years and I just launched my own blog to toy around with. Thanks you for the inspiration!

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  • David May 17, 2023, 10:11 am

    I’m only going to say this once and then I will not harp on it because it is your choice, not mine: why did you have to buy an electric car from a right wing, n-word supporting, racist, homophobic, pro-fascist guy like Musk? Why? Why? As a gay man this is really awful for me to watch you fall for this neo-Nazi. The Hyundai Ioniq 5 or 6 would have been a much better and cooler choice, for example. The Tesla style is already out of date and untrendy. Nobody young at heart would purchase such a clunker looking vehicle. It is uncool. But since you are rolling in cash it is quite easy to toss it and correct the problem, if you so desire.

    Now that I have said my piece. I am a person who retired successfully thanks to your advice. I love you! I am a free man because of you. And, I, too, have entered the stage where I am trying to be less frugal. I recently started indulging in a Starbuck’s coffee now and then and sitting in the store conversing with strangers. It is wonderful!

    I rode an airplane for the first time in 23 years and went to Las Vegas and also attended a wedding there. It was marvelous. I came back and discovered I had covid, however. Watch out. It is still there.

    If I am lucky, I have about 20 years of life left. This is the time to really have fun and I am. It’s like being a teenager again except I have money. I can do whatever I want and it is thrilling. I love being a free man.

    Thank you, thank you so much!

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  • Eric May 17, 2023, 11:40 am

    Congrats on the new car. You’re going to love it and never want to go back to burning dino juice for any reason. There’s something very appealing about always waking up to a charged car and never having to stand out in freezing cold and wind pumping stinky gas again.

    I’ve been comparing cost per mile with one of our mutual friends that purchased a new Subaru in 2018 at about the same time I bought my Tesla Model 3. Our numbers aren’t quite apples to apples because he is registered and insured in a different state with dramatically lower costs than Colorado. Adjusting for the higher reg and insurance costs in Colorado, excluding depreciation and opportunity cost the Subaru is 52 cents per mile, the Model 3 is 48 cents per mile. Including depreciation and opportunity cost the Subaru is 66 vs 98 (ouch) for the Tesla. Obviously depreciation and opportunity cost are the TCO killer.

    So the actual ownership expenditure for a $54,000 electric car is less than a Subaru that’s half the price. Paying 3 cents per mile for fuel is a game changer.

    Looking at CO2 produced is also interesting:
    The Subaru gets 30.3mpg which means last year it produced about 7.5 tons of CO2 burning gasoline.
    In Colorado our grid is powered by about equal amounts of wind, natural gas and coal so an EV gets the CO2 equivalent to a 61mpg car. That means driving the same distance as the Subaru results in 3.7 tons of CO2 released. If you have solar panels on your house that number drops to potentially zero. Yes this ignores the full “long tail pipe” and cradle to grave calculations of both cars, but for a first estimate it’s close enough. Extending the timeline, things only look better for EVs; most studies show the fully embodied carbon content of an EV equals that of an ICE after about 13,000 miles at which point it becomes dramatically less. Still higher that walking or riding a bike, so keep driving less!

    Be warned, Teslas (and EVs in general) eat tires. They are heavy cars with lots of torque. Drive conservatively and the tires obviously last longer. Since Colorado roads are more abrasive than average, combine that with the weight and expect to get less than promised tire life. Plus face melting acceleration from time to time is just fun :-)

    Don’t forget about a few added costs. You’ll need a home charging solution. At a minimum wire up a NEMA 14-50 and use the mobile connector (you did order that right?), for the most convenient solution fork out the $500 for the Tesla wall connector and get the mobile connector for road trips. If you only install a NEMA 14-50 and plan to plug/unplug the connector often get a good Hubbell/Kelems outlet (~$100) that is rated for more insertions. Spring for full glass coverage with your insurance. It costs me less that $50/year which means if the $1500 windshield or $1200 roof glass (yes it really is that expensive) needs to be replaced in the next 20 years I’m money ahead.

    As for the batteries, my 2018 Model 3 battery degraded 3% the first year, 2% year two, 1% year three, and has held steady since. Based on other cars with more miles I expect to see less than 10% degradation over the life of the car.

    Overall, my Colorado ownership experience is a good one. Cruising through the mountains is effortless. Charging at home is super convenient, especially in the rural mountains where the nearest gas station is 15 miles away. Costs are less than a car costing half the price. CO2 emissions are reduced and ongoing maintenance is non-existent (not true, I’ve had to fill up the windshield washer fluid. Twice!!).

    Enjoy the new car!

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    • Unlimited Solar June 16, 2023, 9:48 pm

      Hello Eric, just curious, at what mileage do you consider “eating tires”? I ask because I’m getting 55k out of my cheapo $120 each, no-name brand 245/45R19 tires on my 2014 Model S, and I am NOT gentle with the accelerator :) How long do they last on your 3?
      I believe my Prius tires got closer to 70k… and I only get that much in the Model S because I bought aftermarket adjustable rear control arms so I could zero-out the alignment. Tesla’s factory alignment is very aggressive (emphasizes cornering) and completely unnecessary, in fact I get better launches now with a zeroed-alignment because of a much higher tire-pavement contact patch.

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  • Joe Walsh May 18, 2023, 12:28 am

    This was a really interesting subject and it’s just at the right time for me. I have been an avid reader for several years and was always inspired by the great journey that MMM and family were on.
    I am also at a place where I am unsure of what is enough even though my financial advisor has been telling me I am well past the point where I need to worry about it any more.
    When you have been frugal or mindful about where the money goes, it is difficult to turn off the mindset and allow yourself a few small graces…but I also understand why so many of the comments have been “WTF?!”… this can’t be the same badass dude who challenged everyone to be the best hardcore, focused, efficient and healthy person they could be..
    And I get that Tesla is now a polarizing brand.
    So, I appreciate MMM saying “OK , what’s the point of battling with small things when you have the capacity to pay the few extra bucks and save yourself the irritation.
    That’s the bread story..makes perfect sense.
    The frozen berries story didn’t work so well, because previously that’s what you were expected to do..get them at Costco despite the car park nightmare..because we would never pay the 8x factor.
    Now the big expensive car puts us in another place entirely.. the argument around EVs is incredibly complex…and depending on how much you think about the environmental footprint and the actual rightness of this direction, which will only become apparent in a decade or so… would an earlier version of MMM bought a 10 year old minivan or something similar and justified it on several grounds?.. who knows..

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  • Tom May 20, 2023, 6:20 pm

    Hey MMM, do you plan on wrapping your car in paint protection film? I’ve done some research and it seems like something to consider for a Tesla.

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    • Unlimited Solar June 16, 2023, 9:53 pm

      I agree. A local body shop told me they do a large numbers of Tesla paint repairs, saying it’s “soft paint” easily damaged, and they recommend ceramic coating and protective film.

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  • JeffD May 21, 2023, 8:56 pm

    This line of thinking by people who have been accumulating wealth for a while is *exactly* why inflation is so out of control right now. So while you party, you just put more pressure on the vast majority of the population under 42. Great way to “save the world”.

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  • Michael May 22, 2023, 12:06 pm

    Firstly, I’m happy for you for being able to buy the car of your dreams! I’ve been reading your blog on-and-off for a few years now and it defenitely doesnt seem as if you bought it on an impulse ;)

    I really like the blog because you focus on hapiness instead of money, on saving instead of investing, all the while trying to reduce consumption and pollution in the first place. I think everyone should live their lives the way they think is right, so Im a bit suprised by the harsh reactions in the comment section. It does bring forward a question I have in mind often while reading your blog: to what extent may your consumption negatively impact environment (and other people), especially when there are alternatives?

    Just to illustrate:
    – Is it morally ok to enrich ourselves by investing in very broad ETFs that include oil sectors etc while there are also ESG/SRI alternatives of most broad ETFs?
    – In the long run a new electric car is less politing than a new petrol car. But the production of a new electric car, especially one of the immense size of this Tesla, requires large amounts of resources. Have you considered alternatives: buying used, buying a small EV like Renault Zoe, simply keeping status quo or becoming a cycling only diehard.
    – Can we really claim to be in it for reducing consumption and pollution while at the same time taking aeroplanes regularly?

    Again i want to stress the is no good or wrong, its not black or white, Im just wondering how you make these choices.

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  • Akir Nakesh May 23, 2023, 7:59 am

    Hey MMM,

    What was your rationale for going with AWD – do you still think it’s bullshit? I got a used Tesla S RWD that I love but only drive 8-9 months out of the year and thinking of trading (+$$$) for an AWD Model 3 to drive it year round.

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  • Cathy V May 23, 2023, 1:02 pm

    I think this article brings up really important points about saving and being frugal AFTER you’ve saved enough. I personally still won’t buy a Tesla, but the Dave’s Killer Bread scenario plays out often! So happy you made the choice you did (buy the damn bread now!). I read a recent “budget” traveler’s blog who regretted taking a 6-hr overnight ferry instead of a 45 min flight to save $10 per person. There may be cheaper options, but they are not always better options. I’m happy for you. May you have no regrets in your purchase.

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    • Mr. Money Mustache May 24, 2023, 5:02 pm

      Holy shit, six hours to save only $10!? I could see doing that to save a minimum of maybe $200 per person, if you were on a tight budget.

      Yes, these are the types of ideas I’m trying to share here. Never be truly wasteful. Then use frugality on a scale based on your values and whether or not you have a use for more money. And then never be truly cheap.

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  • dickrog May 24, 2023, 3:31 am

    Thanks for the post, MMM. I don’t think I can relate to any of it, as having ‘too much money’ doesn’t seem like a state I’ll ever realistically get to. But I enjoyed reading it all the same. Have a great day.

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  • Gaurav Goyal May 24, 2023, 4:42 am

    Congrats on finally taking the plunge. However i do want to mention my personal disappointment. You were always more than just about saving and investing – you also spoke about a mindset and a way of living life that was simple, frugal, yet full of things that really mattered, while being environmentally conscious. I guess any advice that you would now give others will need to be more nuanced especially when handing out imaginary face punches. Nevertheless, your ideas for saving money, early retirement, being deliberate and thoughtful with spending are all still valid, minus the preachiness and the moral high ground you used to take.
    As an aside couldn’t you have bought a used electric car?

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  • Bryan May 25, 2023, 3:45 am

    Since my total yearly mileage averages about 2,500mi, my 2010 Acura with 56,000mi will serve me the rest of my life. I’ll never need to buy a new car…gasoline, hybrid, electric, or otherwise. However, I wouldn’t mind buying a fancy new E-Bike for around $3,000. Maybe in 10 years.

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  • Pajocs May 29, 2023, 2:23 pm

    I have been binge reading MMM’s blog. I love the extremely frugal savings info and a peak into your mind and philosophy of life. I understood that this is about sharing how you reached FI and encouraging others traveling down a similar road. After reaching a goal, you need to change behavior to adapt and enjoy the result of your success! To me, you haven’t abandoned your earlier lifestyle at all. You are inviting us to join you in navigating new waters that are ahead after successfully achieving financial independence, enjoying life, and doing good.

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  • Laurent de Lageneste May 30, 2023, 11:47 am

    While I am more in the process of getting rid of any cars (down from a hatchback + small city car to just the city car), if you keep your new Tesla for as long as you kept the previous one, it seems like a good buy and a fair deal for the planet.

    The main problem I have with electric cars is that the business model is to get you to buy a new car every other year with “more mileage on one charge”, “faster charge”, and other “progresses”. Most of these are actually leased, not sold, to ease the process of this programmed obscolescence and that is going to be a complete ecological disaster.

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  • Dan June 4, 2023, 10:08 pm

    Some reach a point in their FIRE journey where the math just says “spend more”. There is a fair bit of pushback in the comments here, which is not unlike what the rational FIRE brain goes through when confronted with this at first inconvenient truth. What to do when you reach this point?
    Spend more on yourself, sure. Spend more on your kids. Spend more on experiences. Do it all. Read “Die with Zero”. Tell yourself it’s ok to buy that more expensive coffee from Hawaii because it makes you happy and every day starts with an awesome cup. Maybe you give some of it away, or you don’t. End of the day this is where you hoped it would lead one day, right? What was all that deferred gratitude for if not to spend it some day?
    This is the natural evolution of the FIRE process for some, because some are luckier than others. But we should all be ok with spending our money, on a Tesla or whatever, because you can’t take it with you. Splurge occasionally on big things or more often on small luxuries. The internet FIRE police won’t break your door down because you were surfing Amazon.
    Find your happy spend.

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  • Ryan June 6, 2023, 10:23 pm

    Oh no! Just admit your made a mistake and cancel the Tesla order! You can probably get Vanna’s transmission rebuilt for less than 3k and I bet she has a ton of life left in her. Tesla’s are everywhere here in LA and are such douche mobiles. You were the shit when you had that stick shift scion and explained how that had more power and luxury than we could ever need. It was so true! Spending time in other countries has definitely made me realize how excessive we Americans are. Bet that scion is still running great somewhere and whoever is driving it is doing more for the environment, has a bigger dick, and is just way cooler than anyone buying a 52k Tesla.

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    • Unlimited Solar June 16, 2023, 9:59 pm

      Those Gen2 Honda Odysseys are known lemons for horrible transmission design. Complete transmission replacements every 20k-40k were common, that’s why you rarely see Gen2’s on the road anymore. I’m shocked MMM was able to keep his alive as long as he did.

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  • bt June 7, 2023, 3:04 pm

    I am saddened by your justtifications. Based on your posts over many years about buying new vehicles, you come across as a hypocrite. Enjoy the frequent antics of Elon. Still driving my ’05 Forester even though I too could go off-my-head and put a dent in my retirement account.

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  • Gwen June 9, 2023, 2:47 am

    Interesting article, thanks for writing it!

    I’m still in the accumulation phase, but recently converted a van in order to fully enjoy working remotely. I got surprised by the unexpected costs reductions that came along with that expensive purchase (totally worth it though, especially as I love doing the works, and facing a nice challenge). After 2 years of living part-time in the van, I am thinking more and more about some of the ecological issues it automatically creates, and even checked the tesla prices for vans, hoping they’ll decrease one day.

    I’m looking forward to learning more about your new car and related costs along the way.

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    • Unlimited Solar June 16, 2023, 10:05 pm

      I enjoy hearing about VanLife stories! I read about a gentleman living in and traveling in a Model X. If you’d like to read it, google “I had a 1994 E500 Mercedes before Model X so ride quality and sportiness was a downgrade” and the post is in the thread “So camping mode is useless. | Page 4 | Tesla Motors Club”

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  • RG June 13, 2023, 4:29 pm

    Interesting diversion from your usual. I’ve never had Dave’s Killer Bread (or maybe I just didn’t find it special), but good bread in general is ridiculously expensive. Food in general – making it yourself can be cheap if you don’t value your time. I was recently lamenting my uber-wealthy sister, who used to be more frugal than I (or you). She recently descended with 5 other people on our households. Wealthy and busy people spent hours cooking for the crowd; she promised to cover a couple of meals but it came down to only one: she went to Whole Foods and “didn’t find anything” so bought fast food burgers. I was annoyed; I could have thrown some frozen pizza in the oven, that would have been healthier and more enjoyable. I ate mine, I lived. But heaven forfend if I make her pizza, or oatmeal, or waffles, or something “carby”, “processed”, or otherwise not to her liking, something cheap or easy to make for a crowd. I think she thinks she’s easy to please because she wants homemade Indian food – the ingredients are cheap, but the combination of expertise and time is not. I even told her about a good/cheap poke restaurant that people would have enjoyed, but would cost twice what the burgers did. She must have spent $3K on plane tickets for 5 people (one baby) over a long weekend, but can’t shell out for a decent meal. This is a woman who has “more money than I can hope to spend in a lifetime.”

    Anyway, I think there’s a deeper story here, that we can upgrade our lifestyles before we hit that level of wealth. How many vacations will you get in a lifetime, how many meals to share with your extended family? You’re ramping up while your kid is still in the house, but for most people the chance to make memories with their young kids is more important than saving a lot. It’s a slippery slope – waiting until you “can afford it” and spending when it still matters. The flip side is – teach your kids to like luxury meals, you will be paying for their (non-homemade) avocado toast for years to come. My 18 year old nephew has been driving a Tesla since he could drive – what are the chances he will accept a Toyota Camry when it’s time for him to move out?

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    • Unlimited Solar June 16, 2023, 10:27 pm

      Great story and explanation! Toyota Camrys are just as nice as Teslas in every way, just slightly slower and gas burning, but slightly less maintenance!

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  • Evan June 14, 2023, 8:50 am

    Late stage mustachianism ?!
    On the one hand a new car, cross country relocation, and living alone all seem far from the central teachings of mustachianism. On the other hand, these luxuries are reasonably affordable after decades of frugality, and I cannot knock you for living it up while you’re still kicking strong.
    Cheers,
    Evan

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  • Tyler June 16, 2023, 10:19 am

    Yikes. RIP MMM. Was good while it lasted.

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  • Christof June 19, 2023, 11:52 am

    MMM is a finance blog and many here forget that MM is already retired, financially secure and has now replaced his old car in the best possible way. He does not change anything in his way of life. It is absolutely fine to replace a 23 year old car and it is even necessary when making such an investment to also think about your own needs, which include treating yourself to something if it does not mean compromising your plan. It depends on how you use the vehicle and for what. Looking forward to the new Tesla blog.

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  • Gee EL June 26, 2023, 10:36 am

    i dont like when MMM is still judgmental of wealthy peoples spending habits. it seems anyone who lives richer than him is living “too lavishly”. when he was starting out, the bar was lower. as MMM has become wealthier, the bar keeps getting raised.

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  • RonJon June 27, 2023, 2:13 pm

    Did you say you wanted to rebuild an engine and transmission at some point in your life?

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  • Andrew July 2, 2023, 9:12 pm

    If you have more than you need to live the lifestyle you expected in FIRE, didn’t you save too much? Perhaps this idea of spending more later when you’ve amassed too much means that you could apply the same principles in this article and spend more before you retire; otherwise, you retired too late.

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  • Pablo July 4, 2023, 10:51 am

    Hey, good on you man! I think it doesn’t hurt to spend once in a while to enjoy with your money. Can’t take your money to the grave so at least spend a bit to live a little! Also fueling and maintenance costs should be good compared to your previous car so that will help.

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  • SK July 4, 2023, 4:43 pm

    I’m an occasional reader of the MMM blog. I like to check it out when I need a dose of reality (from my whining) and positivity. It’s nice to read MMM is treating himself with a Tesla. He doesn’t need to justify the purchase. It’s his money and he wants it, but all the reasons cited are good ones as to why the purchase also makes sense. I appreciate this blog tries to help regular folks like me live a little less consumer driven lives, be better with money, and focus on gratitude. However, sometimes I find what appears to be extreme practices in frugality associated with the FIRE Movement a detractor, so it’s nice to see that the Mustachians are working on finding the right balance of saving and spending.

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  • Sam July 5, 2023, 7:13 am

    Dude yes!! You finally pulled the trigger! We still have several years left in our Van, and the old 95 dodge truck just refuses to lay down, but some day we are going to join you in electric car bliss!

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